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Men's Locker Room Etiquette

Men's Locker Room
Men's Locker Room

As a triathlete, I spend a fair amount of time at the gym and in men’s locker rooms. I have witnessed many strange breaches of gym etiquette in these locker rooms. It has become obvious to me that most men do not understand locker room etiquette. This article hits the major men's locker room etiquette points.

Disclaimer: For some reason (as you can see from the very opinionated comments below), many people find this article offensive. My intent is not to be offensive, but merely to point out some useful tips for how to behave in the locker room. Also, perhaps I've just been naïve, but I had no idea that men's locker rooms are a common area where guys "cruise" other guys or look for potential partners. I certainly don't do this. I'm simply there to workout and cleanup afterwards.

Typical Men's Locker Room Shower
Typical Men's Locker Room Shower

Locker Room Shower Etiquette

Most men’s locker rooms typically have a large open area with a number of shower heads. This is more of a communal type shower, contrary to women’s locker rooms with personal showers. Here are the main pointers for showers in men’s locker rooms:

  • Do not pee in the shower. This is just plain gross. Pee is for a urinal, not the shower. If your pee smells funny, read about causes of smelly pee.
  • If there are a number of open shower heads, do not take the one right next to someone else. Take the one furthest away. The shower is to clean yourself, not socialize.
  • Do not socialize in the gym shower. I don’t want to talk to another dude naked and neither should you.
  • Do not look at another guy’s private parts in a shower. Only look in the eyes, if you happen to make contact. Also, if you happen to be across from someone in the shower, try to avoid facing the same direction – if the person across from you is facing you, turn the other way and wash the other side of you.


Blow Dryer

  • The blow dryer is for the hair on your head, not your pubes. I once saw a guy use the blow dryer to dry his pubic hair. He was actually holding a leg up and everything. This is disgusting. Don’t ever do this!
  • Blow drying your hair is old school anyway....just dry your hair with your towel and add some wax or gel to it. The blow dried feathered look went out with the 80s.

Your Personal Items

  • Do not leave personal items lying all over the place. No one wants to see your sweaty gym clothes, jock strap, towels, body wash, etc., all over the locker room benches and floor. Keep your stuff in a tidy, small area.

Walking Around

  • Do not walk around the locker room nude. If you must walk somewhere, there should be a reason and you should wear a towel (at a minimum) or put on your underwear and, preferably, pants.
  • Walk with a purpose in the locker room...don't just stroll around naked, especially next to guys sitting on the benches putting shoes on, etc. This is rude. Last thing a guy trying to get psyched up for his workout and putting on his shoes needs to see is another guy's schlong at eye level.

Gym Mirror

  • Looking in the mirror is fine, but do not stand in front of the mirror naked. I once saw a guy stand in front of the mirror nude, while fixing his hair. At least put your pants on before fixing your hair in front of the mirror!

Gym Scale

  • Don’t weigh yourself after your workout or after sitting around in the sauna. This is stupid. Weigh yourself at home in the AM, when you get up.
  • Especially, don’t weigh yourself while you’re naked. No one wants to see this. At least wear a towel or put your underwear on.

 

Do not sit close to another dude and never take your shorts off!
Do not sit close to another dude and never take your shorts off!

Hot Tub Etiquette

Some of the gyms I’ve been to have hot tubs in the men’s locker room.

  • If there is already a guy in the hot tub and you must sit in the hot tub, sit as far away as possible.
  • Always sit in the hot tub with swim shorts on and leave them on. I once had a guy sit in the hot tub fairly close to me and then he took off his swim shorts and sat them on the side of the hot tub. And, no, this was not a gay gym. Don’t ever do this!

Sauna / Steam Room

  • If you must enter the sauna / steam room without clothes on, wrap yourself in a towel and do not unwrap it.
  • Do not remove your towel or ever sit naked in the sauna or steam room.
  • Do not constantly enter the steam room and leave the steam or sauna room when you get too hot. Stay or go!

TV

  • Do not hang out in the locker room and watch the mounted TVs. You’re there to work out, not watch TV with half-dressed guys.
  • Do not postpone getting dressed for something on the TV. No one wants to see a naked dude watching the cooking channel.

Conversations

  • If you must have a conversation in the locker room, wait until both people have at least underwear on. It’s awkward to discuss something with a naked dude, plus the conversation may postpone him putting on clothes.
  • If you do speak with someone and they are naked, do not let your eyes wander from the other person’s eyes. I once had a guy speak to me and stare at my tallywacker the entire time. He actually invited me to a Thanksgiving dinner with him and his family. I declined, of course. I was creeped out!

Locker Room Benches / Seats

  • Do not ever sit on a bench or seat naked. Always sit on a towel. I have witnessed guys sitting on benches totally naked. This is gross.

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Comments 384 comments

magnavox1 20 hours ago

you need to loosen up, and not be such a tight wad. locker rooms are for de-stressing after a workout and everyone does that different.


Riain George 10 months ago

What bullshite! You have some issues you need to deal with!


Vodaunmagma 14 months ago

Great post. Quite refreshing provided all the duplicate written content out there. Cheers for doing something original.


Rupert 19 months ago

this last from Blaise seems very unhygenic! Keeping underwear on whilst one changed? What does that mean?

Have fun and let it all hang out.


Johnc520 2 years ago

I think you have noted some very interesting points , appreciate it for the post. dafeadafgeed


blaise 2 years ago

when i was in junior high and high school we never took showers or got completely naked.we kept our underwear on while we changed. I never had a problem changing around other guys at all.


Purine 2 years ago

Well said! The naked body of any person who looks after him/herself is something to celebrate. Nakedness takes getting used to for some people but then they should simply get used to it! Soon they'll realise it's completely natural and no big deal.


m d 2 years ago

I read this article and it sounds a bit overreactive. I am gay and i have been to many gay bathhouses, and gyms that were more for gay men. In these environments nudity is no big deal. Not just because it's sexual, but because you are all men and have the same bodies. Besides, todays clothes can be very revealing and leave little to the imagination. Guys in speedos are basically naked, and men's underwear ads show most of the curves of their genitalia. But i learned to celebrate my body. Being naked is natural and beautiful. Anyone who is grossed out by nudity is insecure. Being naked together brings people down to earth to the level where we are all equal. I would think a locker room for men would be a place for male bonding and togetherness, not a place where you get freaked out by other guys.


Ed Bevler 3 years ago

Goddamnit man, GROW UP. What horseshit. a REAL MAN isn't afraid to be naked around other men, and EVERYONE checks out the competition, even you, faggot.


Jorgen 3 years ago

This hub is fucking stupid. You've got your hang-ups -- fine. Don't presume to tell the rest of us that aren't uptight how we "should" behave in the locker room.


Jeff 3 years ago

This happens occasionally at my club as well. Health-wise, the worst part is the shoes that bring in a variety of bacteria. Management has now placed a sign just outside the door the forbids footwear (except shower sandals, etc.) in the steam or sauna, and that has reduced it to almost zero. Suggest you complain.


anonymous 3 years ago

something that has bugged me recently are the guys that enter the sauna and steam rooms. it seems that they like to go in fully clothed before or after their workout. i enter these rooms after my workout wearing a towel around my waist and i also place a small towel on the bench where i sit (i usually shower off beforehand as well). these guys come in from their workout and sit their sweaty asses on the upper bench with their dirty shoes on the lower benches. some come in with their music busting out of their earbuds. the worst is when they like to do exercises in these rooms, which take up a lot of bench space plus an assortment of noises and grunts. i have always seen the sauna/steam rooms as a place to relax so this idea of exercising kills that chill mood (kinda like someone talking on their cell phone during a movie) and it also makes me feel lazy just sitting there even though i just finished working out (haha).

another thing is that it makes me feel weird... like i am the oddball guy wrapped in a towel. The worst is when i am in there alone and 3-4 guys come in from their workout with their sweaty attire. i usually look down because i am outnumbered and i feel weird. luckily, someone else wrapped in a towel comes in and it makes me feel less weird.

this has bugged me a lot recently. i think since our gym is lowering their monthly fee, more people are joining, especially the younger crowd - these are also the ones guilty of the above rant. definitely a demographic and cultural change issue.


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Jeff 3 years ago

I'm not sure "gay" has that much to do with it.......I think it is just more of a cultural change.....and it started quite some time ago. Anyone that struts around naked today at most gyms is just considered a bit weird. I say at "most" gyms...there are exceptions, mostly at places like the YMCA with a lot of older members. Dividers at urinals are now required per building code in most places, meaning that new construction must have them. There are even dimension requirements. In my observations, troughs in the USA were always uncommon.....remember them at ball parks mostly. Wrigley Field still has troughs, and they are still very common in Australia, but probably even there, troughs are waning. I read somewhere that about 30 percent of men these days don't even use urinals, but instead always go to a stall. Don't know if that number is valid, but I suppose it includes those of us that are pee shy. For me, I use urinals, but if it is crowded such as an intermission or half time or something, I head and wait for a stall where I can relax.


Blewofficle 3 years ago

Хочу предупредить не стоит иметь дело с ООО "Вектор" они известные мошенники!


Purine 3 years ago

The fact that showering hasn't been required in PE for quite a few years now is the main reason. Most young people are unfamiliar with nakedness as being anything other than a private affair, except if they use a gym, where they'll find many older guys walking around naked, but if anyone under 30 would do that in front of them they'd actually wonder is he's a gay guy trying to attract their attention.

Same with urinals. It is now seen as rude or gay to take a urinal directly next to someone you don't know if a stall is open. Search 'urinal etiquette' on YouTube - there are several videos. Urinal troughs are also dissapearing, except for gay clubs (or so I've heard) and individual urinals with dividers is now becoming standard.

Also, hardly anyone is seen naked in the steam rooms or saunas I've been to and anyone who goes in naked is seen as a bit gay. Quite the opposite of how it used to be in the old days!


daveR66 3 years ago

Most agree it is a generational difference, younger guys are uncomfortable with nudity and older guys bairly notice. The reasons for the cultural change are multiple including latent homosexual guys fearing they will get aroused if they shower, men becoming "feminized" as now the mother is the boss , gays becoming so visible in the media, and fact that showering is no longer required in PE.

The ladder reason ties in with the younger generation feeling entitled to impose what they want on centuries old customs. This was a generation that was never "told " what to do by adults.

Im sure if they had given us a choice when I was in Jr high in the 1970s to shower in PE or not,many would have choose not. Im glad we were forced to because it didn't bother me at all and it is more hygienic. 99 percent of guys in PE didn't have a problem with it back then, and the few that did were weird.

When I was in grade school my father took me to the YMCA where we changed and showered in the locker room after swimming, so I can never remember being self conscious about it, except maybe the first couple of times. It was usually the father's role to introduce the son to locker room use, and today the woman either makes the decisions or the man is gone completely.

Today, kids boss their parents around and are never "told" to do anything, so when kids resisted showering in PE, mommy marched in to school and demanded that they wouldn't have to.

Well, MOMMY, your boys are now still living at home and nearing 30, have no job , play video games all day. Your husbands are long gone and your son has no girl friend and you're beginning to think he is gay. And on top of all that HE STINKS BECAUSE IT WONT SHOWER.

In "Fight Club" Ed Norton said "were a generation of men raised by women", reffering to his generation. Lack of normal male bonding with the father in very early childhood is well know to predispose to male homosexuality. Lack of an assertive , normal father in the home has many side effects , and this neurosis about changing and showering is one of the many hangovers we are experiencing from that.

Guys may think it makes them look "straighter" by freaking out over locker room use, but I've never seen any NFL players complain about it, and although I know you will scream there are exceptions, that is a pretty straight group as far as I can see.


Purine 3 years ago

Communal Showers started to disappear completely from decent gyms in the UK about 10 years ago. Now you can only find them in the cheap nasty gyms and not anyone under 30 is using them. Here's a video of a guy discussing locker room and urinal etiquette:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahEdaxcdVt4


Old Man 3 years ago

Apparently you weren't around prior to 1968 when women weren't allowed in YMCA's and no one ever wore swimsuits in the pool, the showers were all communal and men had conversations while taking a sweat in the steam baths.


Reality Check 4 years ago

Boy you've got some problems dude. This whole thing is like "OMG a PENIS, I'm HORRIFED and OFFENDED". It's a locker room. No-it isn't for cruising and no-you should not pee in the shower-but the whole "if you're across from someone face the other way", "OMG I don't want to talk", and the rest of it reads like YOUR homophobia and not "etiquette". People saying "well, I'd be comfortable in the women's locker room" tells me that what this article REALLY is: some hompohobic straight guy with major body hang ups. GET OVER yourself-frankly I doubt that you're so "hot" that you REALLY have all that much to worry about.


Jeff 4 years ago

Phil...There must be another impelling reason you joined this gym....maybe cost or location? It is increasingly unusual to have communal showers in health clubs or gyms....unless they are old. Even the older YMCAs are eliminating these. I have belonged to health clubs for 35 years, and neither one (of the two I belonged to) has communal showers. My only recent communal-showering experience (and it does not bother me) is in an 1950s-era park district swimming pool locker room, and most guys leave their swim suits on. While that option may not be socially acceptable where you go, if group nudity makes you uncomfortable (and despite what people say on this forum, it is not unusual), cancel the membership and go elsewhere....but you must have known about the shower facilities before you joined. There are plenty of gyms around with private showers.


PhiloB 4 years ago

So, I am going to the GYM to work out. I'm about 30 lbs overweight. Hence, why I am going to the Gym to begin with. The problem is, I like this new GYM and joined, but, hate the communial showers. First, I am embarrassed about the status of my body and I'm not real keen on being naked in front of a bunch of in shape guys that walk around with their dorks hanging around. But, the best time to work out for me is in the morning so I need to shower before work. Any Suggestions? Or is everyone just going to say "get over it." My last Gym had private showers.


Butch52 4 years ago

I grew up in a sexually repressive family where you would never ever be semi naked or naked in front of anyone else. It took alot of soul searching during my hs years tio strip and dress in PE. I am gay and I just got so I feel comfortable going to the gym and getting naked and I have to agree. You do what you have to do and get the hell out of there . Dont stand there and have a full conversation with someone who is naked or your naked. By all means put a towel down before sitting on the benches and dont pee in the shower. I never knew anyone straight that would feel so uncomfortable in the gym geez I thought I had hang ups/


Ash 4 years ago

Wow what an article !! I find it completely hypocritical the first comment being I'd be comfortable if I was in the women's locker room!!, and what would you be checking out in the women's locker room? Lol, at the end of the day, where we born with cloths on? Who cares if your naked in a locker room that's what they are for right?, don't be such a prude and enjoy your time naked either in the company of men or women, we are all made the same !!!


Chuck 4 years ago

How is this dork ever gonna score any locker room meat if he follows all these stupid rules? ;-)


4 years ago

Geez Kea, what an absurd list of "rules." This whole couching of your nudity hangups in an exhaustive list of etiquette is transparent. Stay out my head, and I'll stay out of yours. To each his own.

Based on your other rules, I'm guessing shaved guys like me (including no pubes) would send you into a state of apoplexy.


Mike 4 years ago

I would have to agree with... well the majority. Getting use to seeing other people naked is like a barrier you overcome in (sometime around) high school. Seeing other people naked should not be a big deal... I mean life is life, not a PG13 drama movie. There is going to be uncensored, full-on nudity. If you can't accept that then stay away from those scary locker rooms.

I am fully comfortable with seeing others naked as well as being naked, only I do cover-up if I can tell someone is feeling uncomfortable about it (just to be a nice person.) I go to the gym as often as I feel is necessary, and have seen many naked men walking around. I walk naked to the showers and have found others get over it quickly. Only a few times had I crossed guys who look.. and might keep looking, but that doesn't bother me either (count it as a compliment or something.) The only thing you can do is get over it. Some people are naked, some people might look, and some people might talk to you. Be a man and get over it! :)


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jph1965 4 years ago from North Billerica, Massachusetts

I personally don't have a problem with nudity in a men's locker room. I have to agree with everyone who is saying you're up tight. If you have a problem with men walking around naked in the locker room or sittin naked in the sauna, then you may want to just not use the locker room period. I keep my mind on my own business and make sure I'm not invading someone elses space. If you keep your mind on your business instead of looking at what everyone else is doing, you won't notice if the guys are even walking around, never mind doing it fully nude. If I want to sit completely naked in the sauna, I have that right. I pay my dues and as long as I am sitting on a clean towel, I don't see what is wrong with that. I don't dictate to other guys what they can and can not do in the locker room and neither should you.


Purine 4 years ago

sorry kea not kia


Purine 4 years ago

Glad to see this discussion is still going. Used to read it in the gym sauna on my mobile all the time about 6 months ago. Travelling abroad now. Was just wondering if Kia is in any way connected to this Kia: http://www.bodyworkswest.co.uk/pages/club-etiquett...

This place is near my old neigbourhood in Bayswater, London W2.


Tybo 4 years ago

Wow, this person who wrote this is ignorant. I'd be more upset over knowing this uptight crybaby was in my locker room...man up, for real.


teide 4 years ago

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con el autor.

En España en los vestuarios suele haber tanto duchas colectivas como cabinas individuales.


Comfortable 4 years ago

The only guys that draw attention to themselves in the locker room are the ones who desperately try to keep themselves covered. They tuck themselves into a corner when changing or try to put on or take off their underwear/swimsuits while wearing a towel. They look ridiculous.


Daniel 4 years ago

When I last went to a gym, I always change in private locker rooms and when I see men nude, I just don't look and go swim laps in the pool or go in steam room! But I'd be creeped if someone was talking to me and they were nude! If anyone wants to speak in a locker room I just say "Please put a towel around you or better put some underwear or pants on."


Gunter 4 years ago

Really Dude! Like you are not going to talk to your friend after a game? Even if there is someone changing behind you? Nudity is what locker rooms are for!


patrick 4 years ago

Being naked is natural. In some places, even in the US, it is legal to be naked in public. Try it sometime. It feels so good, and will help break some social barriers. The true test is when you can feel comfortable naked in front of clothed people of either sex. This should not be an issue for either clothed or unclothed people. Oh! look at that naked horse. As far as erections go, they too, are normal, even for older guys. So, go smoke a doobie, get naked, get an erection, and enjoy life.


Rupert 4 years ago

A lot of protestant American prudery!

The silly ass who wrote down all his rules should have gone to a public (=private) boys' school in England! We showered together and slept together in dormitories. We even got caned on our bare backsides (if we misbehaved)

How can men not be aware of each others' nakedness in a communal changing/locker room.

I'm straight but admit to enjoying seeing other men naked in a friendly, relaxed atmosphere


David 4 years ago

me thinks thou dost protest a bit too much


S#2 4 years ago

Locker room = nudity. Get over it.

Kea = uptight prude.


4 years ago

Man, the guy who wrote this never lived with Finns or Swedes


Darryl 4 years ago

If you are uncomfortable getting naked around other guys, it is only because of three reasons: 1. You are homosexual and don't want to admit it. 2. You think you have the smallest penis in there. 3. You are a prude. In any case, its you who has the problem. A locker room with showers and recreational facilities is there to get naked and hang out. It really should be called a spa.

The biggest complaint i hear is, "I don't want it flopping in my face". This is a delusion you put there. The guy isn't standing in your personal space flopping his penis in front of your face, you imagined that. Why? I don't know, thats something you have to figure out on your own. There are support groups for that.


Tony 4 years ago

I’m a gay dude in my early-thirties. Here’s my perspective on what you’ve written.

I agree that men shouldn’t: urinate in the shower, blow-dry their pubic hair with the communal blow-driers, leave personal items lying all over the place, sit naked in the hot tub right next to a stranger, sit naked on the locker room benches, or leave the sauna/steam room door open for long periods of time. Those are hygiene and courtesy issues.

Kea, I’m going to be blunt: the other things you’ve brought up make you sound like a controlling prude. It’s a locker room and they are things guys should be able to do, within reason, at their own discretion. For example:

My gym has only showers divided by curtains, not the open room gang-style communal showers. However, if you are standing in gang showers, there’s nothing wrong with men who are already acquainted or friends positioning themselves near (even right next to) each other and chatting while they shower. For me personally, if I was using a communal shower room I’d leave at least one empty shower between me and another dude, and I wouldn’t initiate conversation with a total stranger. I’d only chat with another guy while showering if he engaged me in conversation first, or if I knew him moderately well and knew that he was a friendly person. Otherwise, I’d “self-police” myself by doing everything I could not to violate another guy’s space in the communal shower. And yes, I probably will glance at other dudes below the waist every so often in that scenario, but I’m certainly not going to fixate on them or leer at them. My main reason for being there is still to get clean.

Standing in front of the mirror naked: this is a gray area. I usually don’t look at myself in the mirror unless I’m at least in my boxers, but if other men choose to stare at themselves in the mirror while fully naked it doesn’t bother me (in fact, I find it kind of amusing). But, I’ll admit, because I’m gay, I’m guessing my general perspective toward communal nudity is going to be different in the first place.

My gym doesn’t have a steam room. We do have a sauna, but I always use the sauna either in just my boxers or completely wrapped in a towel. I do this mainly to respect the comfort level of the other guys with whom I’m sharing the sauna. My ideal preference would be to just sit on top of my towel in the sauna while I’m completely naked. But I don’t want to stick out like a sore thumb (in more ways than one), so I’ll cover my manhood because it’s the social norm in our sauna.

Walking around nude: this is another area where common sense should take precedent. I don’t think it’s necessary for guys to prance around nude for prolonged periods of time, and I suspect some of those who do may be exhibitionists. However, before I step behind the shower curtain I will certainly strip off my towel and hang it on a hook. I usually dry off totally naked outside of the shower stall, as well; mainly because there’s very little room for me to maneuver around inside the cramped curtained stall. Usually there are other dudes toweling off naked out there in the open as well, so I don’t have to worry that people will think I’m some pervy freak. Most of the time I walk back to my locker with my towel wrapped around my waist. However, once in awhile I’ll just drape my towel around my shoulders, and yeah, strut back to the main changing area completely in the raw. Then I’ll go to my locker and get dressed at a normal pace -- not lingering for too long, but not rushing the process so fast that I’d be tripping over my own clothes.

Here’s the truth: it feels good to be naked. The men’s locker room is one of the few places where dudes can just be dudes, and I can feel confident that even if the other dudes (most of whom I know will be heterosexual, anyway) happen to check me out they may be comparing themselves to me out of curiosity, but most of them probably aren’t judging me critically. So yeah, in that short time between taking my shower and getting dressed, why not let it all hang out? – stretchmarks and all! (yes, I used to be fat)

BTW, if I ever happened to be in a predominantly gay men’s locker room, that would have its own list of pros and cons. Obviously, when most of the men using the locker room are gay, I know there’s going to be a little more judging of my body’s aesthetics when I’m around other members of “my team,” LOL. And there could be the creepy “cruisers” who may try to hit on me (along with trying to hit on 99% of everyone else in there), whom I’d want to avoid. On the plus side, if I was sharing a locker room with mostly other gay men, I wouldn’t have to be as conscientious about the length of time I spent there naked. And I wouldn’t have to worry if I happened to pop a boner, because among other gay men I seriously doubt any of them would have a problem with it. ;-)

I think it all comes down to common sense. You shouldn’t hit on other men or make unwanted advances on them while using the locker room naked. Every guy should try his best to give others in the locker room as much room to change as possible, and not violate someone’s personal space so blatantly. But if I want to get naked during the showering/changing process, I should be able to do so around my own gender. And before people here whine that I’ve been thinking about this topic as extensively as Kea has -- I’ll admit I do think about it a lot, but that’s mainly because locker room etiquette has become such a huge taboo in American society that so many modern males are anal-retentive about. So by virtue of the “self-policing” of other men in the locker room, I’m forced to assess my own actions in a similar way.


Danny 4 years ago

Geez, why does it seem like straight guys are such p***ies about being nude with other guys? And what does the small chance of gay guys looking at you matter anyway? If a gay guys is looking at you, it means you're hot. Be flattered! Besides, we and bi guys have gotten enough crap from straight guys that I think we're entitled to a little eye-candy. XD


Someone that laughed reading this. 4 years ago

Is the article's writer in mid school? I'm pretty sure everyone in my mid school class showered after PE because, well YOU SMELL! If your not grown out of your"Freshman Freakout" stage by softmore year, good luck reaking all day in class. I'm a bit of a tubb's but I still go too the gym three or four times a week and shower and enjoy a bare ass steam. You know why? Because no one is glaring you down...well maybe people like you. Being naked in a locker room is just a thing, hell I think it's a bit funny when people get bashful about being naked as it usually means they see something they like. Who here's been skinny dipping with OTHER'S and not had it be weird? I have and they because no one was oggleing other privates. Why is being nude such a touchy subject? Around your same sex it's really a non-issue depending on the setting, around the opposite sex it might be different if one of you makes it sexual.


Brad 4 years ago

Sorry, but it is weird to walk around naked with no purpose. It's like you're trying really hard to get attention or demonstrate to everyone that you're comfortable being naked. I mean I'm naked while I'm in the shower and toweling off, but what is the obsession with prolonging your nudity? Especially around other guys? Why aren't you getting dressed? To me a locker room isn't a place I go to to socialize. It's a place to perform necessary functions. But too many guys want to stay naked, talk to you naked, walk by you naked while you're sitting down, etc. It's creepy. Just do your business and leave. It's weird guys are so comfortable in a locker room that they use it as a social event. If I want to socialize with my friends, I go eat with them, hang out at each others' place, go do something. Get your business done, and get out. Why are you hanging out in a locker room with a bunch of naked guys?


Dan 4 years ago

Sad about the feminization of the American male.


Steve R 4 years ago

I think the guy who wrote the article is a closeted gay. Otherwise who cares if you walk around naked in the locker room or not. That is your business, nobody else's. Only a latent homosexual man would think so much about male nudity.


Atlanta Jim 4 years ago

Johno, you are so right about the "rule" of the men's locker room -- the entire place could be empty and two guys wind up with lockers next to each other. I do the same thing you do in that situation -- give the other guy a little more space and make a joke about it. I, too, remember the first time I showered with other guys Also in junior high. And yes, for about three or four minutes it was a weird feeling. But I quickly got over it and actually felt like I'd accomplished something big. Because I remember my older brother teasing me about having to take a shower after gym class and I went on to build it up as something it clearly was not. As I always say, if everybody's nude it's not much different than everybody being clothed -- a levelling experience, indeed. I think Kea - the long-ago original poster -- was tackling the issue of, shall we say, gratuitous nudity -- parading around naked for excessive amounts of time and seemingly for no reason at all. It's nudity that makes others feel a little uncomfortable because something about it is out of the norm. I have seen this from time to time -- most recently at a Y where I swim. Not only would the guy simply not put on his clothes, but he was loud -- as if his goal was to draw attention to himself. These kinds of incidents usually stick out and are few and far between. But I am in complete agreement with you that staring straight ahead, like a zombie, when you are showering with a bunch of guys you know, is far more weird than talking to them the way you usually do. At my gym, guys engage in extensive conversations in the locker room, naked or not. That's a good, healthy thing.


Johno 4 years ago

I can remember Junior High and first experience of being nude in locker rooms with a whole bunch of guys, which is a little weird when I think about it because I'd changed in swimming pool locker rooms before that. Anyway, I was very self-conscious, kinda like when you first ask a girl to dance--you are afraid that somehow you will become the subject of derision. Within a short time, you realize that no one cares--being naked is in itself a "levelling" experience.

I suppose I unconsciously expand the concept of personal space a little while in a locker room. Also, get permission from somebody if you need to borrow something like shampoo.

As far as looking at other guys, as long as you are not staring intently, no big deal. A guy works out and is in really good shape, might even warrant a compliment or a question. As far as other guy's "junk," almost everybody will glance at it--curiosity. No big deal if a guy walks back from the shower drying his hair with his towel or even with it over his shoulder.

I don't know what to say about your "eyes straight ahead" admonition--like maybe going back to Victorian times. In "Jerry Maguire" there is a scene where Cuba Gooding gets out of the shower and explains that he likes to "air dry."

I think part of it may be that our society is so affluent that each child has his own room. In fact, for some guys going off to college, it is the first time they have ever had to share a room in their lives. I had 3 brothers so seeing an undressed male was no big deal. As a toddler, I would shower with my Dad and brothers (not all at one time).

In my opinion, being naked in a locker room or a shower room is absolutely appropriate. Acting naturally, like you would if you met somebody in public while clothed is the appropriate thing to do. Staring straight ahead and not talking would be weird.

I have, upon occasion, joked about the "rule of the locker room," which is if there are two people in an otherwise large empty locker room, without fail they will be issued keys to adjacent lockers. I comment jokingly about it and move my stuff farther down on the bench. Like when you are voting and and there are 5 or 6 voters who arrive at the same time, inevitably they will have names which cause them to line up behind each other while other people staffing the registration table sit there with nothing to do. It just happens.

One final word on locker rooms: Get over it!


spartan 4 years ago

Spartans used to excersise and wrestle naked. and i bet the majority of them werent bothered or gay for that matter.i have one thing to say to the author........

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!! (cue slow motion kick)


Evan smart 4 years ago

I don't find anything wrong with looking at other mens junk it is a good place to compare and why not shower near another man you can face each other and talk naked but still not be gay.... There is nothing wrong with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the man 4 years ago

Dude, you are a repressed homosexual. Big time. Just relax and enjoy your bloody life.


Daryl 4 years ago

Being naked is natural and I have no issue seeing other men naked, or being naked I'm the locker room! Also, I like to weigh myself naked straight after a workout because the extra pounds iv lost through dehydration actually makes me feel good about myself...even tho I know its not my true weight! Don't ruin that for me!! And yes being naked can be a bonding thing! You're trusting your mates with your nakedness despite having insecurities about your body, which most of us do! Loosen up and worry about something more important! But yes, a funny topic to post about so il give you points for that ;)


JACK 4 years ago

Glad we had to take shower together in school and the military does give you private shower either. So no i don't have this stupid hang up.


Dane 4 years ago

American men are so insecure. Who cares if another guy sees your pee. Grow the hell up. Most American women think

that men are insecure. Also if your that afraid of label gay queer bi faggot then you are insecure. You know what you like or don't. Who care what the other dumb ass think.

BTW. 1 out of 10 men have had sex with other men and 70% are married. look it up. Seem here in American nudity means sex what a shame. BTW I have a PHD in psychology. Just get out of the dark age America


Jeff 4 years ago

Staff of the opposite gender should not be in the men's locker room on a casual basis. Complain to management, they will put a stop to it. Probably almost all of the others feel the same way. Sometimes people (customers) do not realize the power that they have to make change--they just have to voice it (and this goes for about anything). Management will listen to customers, and they may not even know it is happening. Honestly, I have never heard of this happening before in the USA, but it is a big country. Ironcially, at my health club I occasionally see a sign at the check-in desk that workmen will be in the women's locker room between certain hours, giving women notice to change in a stall or whereever, but never have I seen a regular cleaning person of the opposite gender in a changing area. As an aside, my dermatologist recently has gotten into the habit of always bringing a nurse (usually female) in the exam room to take notes. I go to male doctors in part because I feel more comfortable with males examining me and do not want females present (excepting when a procedure is performed where additional staff is necessary.) Now, I advise them that I want to see the doctor privately. Not only is that request always honored, it is not unusual, according to him. You have as much power as you want to take. If things like this do not bother you, do nothing, but if they do, take action.


Simon 4 years ago

Seems a bit homophobic don't it?

Read the book "I just want to look good naked" by Swedish Triathlete Jonas Colting and stop beeing so up tight when it comes to nudity!


Atlanta Jim 4 years ago

To DaveR66: I have not seen this research from Europe, but I am highly skeptical that latent homosexual desires have much to do with male locker room shyness. Sure, there are some guys out there who fear getting an erection, but I mainly think the shyness has to do with lack of experience. I hit the gym in the early morning, along with most of the middle-aged, bound-for-work crowd. We all take showers. We all get dressed and undressed in front of each other. Guys parade around naked, shave naked, etc. Nothing egregious. Just what we have always done in our age group. We began doing it in junior high PE class (or, in my case, even earlier -- at the Y) and never stopped. On occasion I have been forced to delay my work-outs until late afternoon. Then, a totally different, younger crowd takes over. They store their stuff in the locker room but it's rare that anybody uses the showers -- except me, of course. I actually have friends who have NEVER showered communally. I find this incredible. How can you get through PE or playing sports without ever taking a shower? As I've said before, I am glad I grew up in the era of compulsory showers after gym class. It's just one less hang-up I would have had to correct in adulthood.


roger 4 years ago

This should read "management", not "administration"!

And please consider two things:

First: It's not about the woman's possible embarrassement, it's about yours!

Second: In cases like this, reverse the sexes: Would men cleaning in the womens' locker room be acceptable? We all no the answer! Why should this be so the other way round? No way!


roger 4 years ago

Complain to the administration! Female cleaning staff has no business to be in the mens'locker room as long as there are members present!


Len22 4 years ago

For the first time in my life I am planning on joining a local gym, but a male friend who has been going to this gym for months now has told me that he has personally witnessed female cleaning staff in the mens locker room from time to time, even when men are undressing and walking to and from the shower. I was curious as to whether this awkward situation is common. And what is the appropriate locker room etiquette if you bump into a female employee in the locker room while you are naked or nearly naked. Do you just say "hi," or do you ignore her, or would it be totally inappropriate to carry on any kind of conversation with her? Anyone experience this before? I don't want to embarrass myself or the woman, although I imagine she would be quit used to seeing a lot of male nudity. Thanks for any advice.


lousetoot 4 years ago

All these women who say they don't mind being naked in the locker room-- YOU ARE SO ANNOYING. you are clearly the people who waggle their muffs around, sit down naked smearing yourself everywhere and waft your dirty smelly pre shower selves all around. I am well mannered and naturally try to look the other way but you annoying gits make this impossible when you trot about and stand in-front of mirrors. I don't believe you should be ashamed of your body but i don't see how there are separate rules in a changing room than to the classroom or any other place where its "just us girls". I am so suspicious of why you naked ladies have to do so much walking. Do you think your muff is special? NO!!!!!!!! You offend my culture with your nudity. I am also gay as I'm sure some other women are so how is that different to you waggling your wobbly arses in-front of a man in the street? LAZY TRAMPS. Learn the towel method you probably managed to use as a kid when you went swimming.... goodness me. I btw have found absolutely no changing room women appealing and it seems to be the more arrogant or fat women who preen themselves so openly.... you are in no way a lady. keep your herpes, stray pube hairs and crabs to yourselves (and your bodies for your partner's eyes only)!!!!!! FUCK YOU FOR MAKING IT SO HARD FOR POLITE PEOPLE. WHY SHOULD I BE POLITE AND SAY NOTHING. I CONSIDER YOU FLASHING YOUR GENITALS AS SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND DEGRADING.


DaveR66 4 years ago

European research has shown that the majority of men overly concerned or afraid of changing and showering in mens locker rooms have similar backgrounds in that they were either raised in a household with a weak, inaffectual father or raised entirely by a woman.

They are therfore at risk for homosexual tendancies and are afraid they might get aroused while useing locker room facilities. This explains the more recent concern with this issue, as in prior genrations when most men experianced a normal male bonding relationship with the father, there was not even any discussion of fear re locker rooms.

Homosexual desires were less common and less intense in the age before boys observed their fathers being pushed around by the female of the household or pushed out of it entierly.

The author of this article obviously is very insecure re his sexual tendancies and therfore is somewhat obcessivley hysterical re locker room etiquet. If he were to view another mans privates he may actually get aroused which would be very embarassing in this situation. Thou protests too much as they say


That guy 4 years ago

Uah I have "Broken" most of these rules....I don't get the feeling UNLESS some one is incredibly uncomfortably in there sexuality that walking around the shower room nude is a big problem. Hell at a school party when I was a senior in highschool someone snapped a photo of ten or twelve of us NUDE in the men's hot tub just hanging out. Yes it's creepy to get starred down in the shower but you don't have to stair people down. I have a number of time dried off, tossed my towel, done my hair nude, and gotten dressed MANY people do it and I have yet to hear anyone get cheeped out especially as others are doing this.


Josh 4 years ago

You are clearly insecure.

Besides that your piece is clearly written as if only straight people exist... there is the obvious other fact that many straight men are not threatened by public nudity. You seem very preoccupied with the idea that you should never never ever even see a peak of another man's junk: afraid you might get arouse?

This article is an offensive collection of terrible tips.


John C 4 years ago

What kind of Amish/Mormon anal state do you live in?

I bet if every one of your little "rules" were to be followed in a boy- girl shower area, (i.e.) 3 women 3 men, I am quite sure all the little Nazi like rules you have would go out the window- and you would be aching to get a look at some snatch, make conversation, and hand her the soap. In short southern words- you are a red neck bigot.


Atlanta Jim 4 years ago

This fits right into the discussion of increasing modesty. I no longer live near my parents but when I visit them I go and work out at the same Y i went to as a kid, and it has barely changed since then... until recently. Sometime in the past month or two, somebody got the notion that the communal showers in the men's locker room were a little too communal. So they actually put up partitions on one side of the previously open shower room. These have no curtains, so they are not affording a whole lot of extra privacy. They just separate one shower head from another knees to shoulders. I could not believe it today when I saw them. Forty, fifty years, that shower room hasn't changed, so why now? I find it hard to believe -- given all the times I've used that locker room -- that there was an enormous outcry among the guys for privacy while showering that would adequately explain these ridiculous, waste-of-money additions that it seems to me cater to the very few. And, just as I have seen at other Ys with similar set-ups, the open showers got more use during my visit (unscientific observation... only in there for less than 10 minutes) than the "private" ones. Anyway, I found this change to this old-time Y kind of sad and kind of disturbing.


Atlanta Jim 4 years ago

Len22, what a very interesting and insightful post. As I have already posted, ad nauseum, I am NOT uncomfortable in the least with locker room nudity -- mine or anybody else's. And I always assumed the majority of us socialized into the typical locker room scene felt the same way. Because for me it was incredibly seamless. One day I had never showered with a bunch of other guys, the next day I had... and it turned out to be no big deal. I had no feeling of dread, week to week, about showering after swim lessons or PE. I just did it, and it seemed like that was the case for everybody. But you have given me something to think about. Because if communal showering is keeping guys from going to the gym then perhaps measures to increase modesty are not such a bad thing -- individual showers, etc. Because it's far more important to get people exercising. However, I don't think it's fair for those who feel shy about nudity to point their fingers at those of us who do not and tell us we are somehow warped -- not that you did this, but you know what I mean. Because this is how many of us grew up. I didn't do nude swimming (and I don't know anybody who did) but I sure as heck had to get nude before and after swimming at the Y, beginning around age 10. And I still do it today. I always assumed ANY guy who went through locker room "initiation" in childhood and/or adolescence had no problems with it later. But your posts suggests that perhaps I am wrong.


Len22 4 years ago

My comments below may be slightly off the subject, but I think I have something important to say.

Many of the comments above seem to assume that in our society most men are (or should be) secure with their body and nudity in the locker room. But it is key to realize that men come from different social backgrounds and have many difference psychological states of mind. Please remember that most of the men writing here seem to have experience in the locker room setting, but the vast majority of people never go to the gym and would likely avoid any sort of public nudity.

So many of the men here who proclaim they have very few hang-ups would have felt considerably different if they were presented with the “forced” nudity of several decades ago. As a kid, my parents sent me to the local YMCA to take swimming lessons. I had no way of knowing that once in the building, all the boys were ordered to strip naked and stand by the pool. I had no conception of public nudity and I was shocked, but as a kid I did as I was told. I now know that prior to about 1975, all men and boys had to swim nude at the YMCA, and swimsuits were not allowed in the pool. No one told us why and none of the boys complained. I know I was not comfortable in the situation, and I have since learned that other guys felt the same way. I know that lots of us did worry about whether girls might slip into the pool area and see us naked. At least my YMCA did not have viewing areas for parents and sisters and brothers, as was the case in some cities. I don’t know if I could have endured that.

In high school we were forced to strip naked and take showers after PE. Every single day. Most of the time, we had not been active enough to require a shower, but they forced us anyway. They did not give you a towel until after you showered (a wet towel was literally the ticket out of the locker room), so you had a hundred naked students walking though the locker room to the showers, and no way to cover up at all. I can assure you that plenty of guys were not comfortable with this. There are many online forums were men discuss their embarrassment.

At least I did not attend one of the many high schools that required boys to swim naked. This was quite common prior to about 1980. Girls always wore suits, because they required modesty. Not only were many students truly embarrassed by the nudity, but many parents (especially mothers) protested the situation at School Board meetings. I have read numerous newspaper articles on this subject, and without exception the boards refused to let the boys wear swimsuits. They always claimed that boys did not require modesty. It was a really strange period in our history. Most people know nothing about it.

Forced nudity is still with us today. Think of the professional sports teams that actually require their player to undress and shower in front of video cameras and male and female reporters. In the locker room, no matter how careful a player is, he has to be naked at some point. Peer pressure encourages many players to walk around without towels, and female reporters admit that they see everything. Reporters (including women) readily admit that they interview totally nude players. Over the past 30 years or so many players have been quoted in newspaper articles about their extreme embarrassment at being forced to undress in front of the media, but the league commissioners who make the rules feel it is more important to allow reporters into the excitement of the locker room than to think of the modesty of the athletes. By the way, the law merely provides female reporters equal access to the locker room, but access to the locker room by the press is entirely at the discretion of the various league commissioners.

I could go on and on, but I won’t.

My point here is that just because you see man remove his clothes in the locker room and take a shower, you can not assume that he is comfortable with the nudity or his body. Maybe he is and maybe he isn’t. And for every naked man you see in the gym locker room, there are ten more who either refuse to undress at all or who never even visit a gym. Most people avoid any sort of public nudity. It has been said that for most people, their greatest fear is “public speaking.” But I think there is one fear that far surpasses this. It is “public speaking while being nude.” Now that would freak out just about anyone.


linus 4 years ago

Clearly a homophobic closet case.


tallnhungjoe 4 years ago

Who the hell died and made you king of the Gym... I've got a better Idea, if you're not comfortable with other naked men in the Gym... Don't Go! Or Don't Look! You don't have to write a War and Peace length tome about Locker Room Etiquette... Its a free country...for now at least...


Atlanta Jim 4 years ago

I have never done anything of a nudist nature, though I see nothing wrong with it. But the nonchalance you describe in your experiences underscores what I think is the true equilibrium of the men's locker room -- which is, when everybody's naked, it's like everybody's dressed. What I mean is, you remove the provocative nature of nudity when everybody's in the same boat. SO in my mind, attempts to mediate locker room nudity (changing stalls with curtains, non-communal showers) ironically increases the provocativeness of it -- exactly the opposite "desired" effect.

s like everybody's dresse


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania

Yes, Atlanta Jim, I feel that in the interests of "equality" men have, in many ways, given up more of the male stuff in order to satisfy the female point of view.

What comes to mind is the analogy of weeding a row of carrots, but the analogy should not be extended too far. This might be a topic for another Hub.

Each age will sort out its own attitudes and mores. I just love nude swimming, also the freedom and convenience of undressing/dressing without feeling the need to cover the nether region, just in case someone is able to peep at what I got! Also, several years ago when I used to visit nudist holiday resorts on the Murray River in New South Wales, the joy of walking around, seeing couples of various ages, sitting in the sun enjoying themselves without a stitch on. We would chat together, eye to eye, totally lacking self-consciousness or embarrassment. Young people playing tennis, wearing only foot gear, every part of the body able to flap and breath in the breeze.

What in heaven's name is wrong with this? It does not enhance the sexual desire any more, usually. A few people, guys or girls, might get a bit more horny I suppose because most days they are hung up on morality and try to hide everything. When you deny something it tends to rear its ugly head! Sexual urge is much more triggered by scanty dress, as the advertising media well know.

All this is of course remote from the Locker Room, but I suggest much of the reaction to this Hub has been from people who have hangups. Maybe they are desperate to break out of the shell but unwilling to admit it. No offense meant and not trying to be judgmental, just offering different ways of looking at it.


Atlanta Jim 4 years ago

Not to cast aspersions on women here, but I wonder how much of the swing toward modesty has to do with gender integration of sports and sporting facilities. I am too young to remember nude swimming -- and I must admit, I probably would have balked at engaging in it -- but I do recall when the YMCA was only for males -- and the YWCA was only for women. Now, at some Ys, in the name of "respect for others," guys can't even do something as harmless as play shirts and skins basketball without violating the rules. I also see the modesty thing invading one of my other sports -- swimming. Growing up, I always wore a Speedo or other swim brief to do laps. So did every other male in the pool. I still wear briefs, as do many high school and college swim teams, but an awful lot of other guys at the pool now sport trunks or those bicycle-like tight shorts (which I tried, but found uncomfortable.) I think it's hard for members of one age to comment rationally on the mores of another era. Nude swimming lessons, to me, seem a bit much. Not showering after gym class seems, to me, ridiculous. But I am aware that plenty of teenagers find the idea of communal showering unbelievably weird.


Jeff 5 years ago

I agree with you, "jonnycomelately". Good, open communication without riducule is great. As I said before, I do not think the "rules" have anything to do with fear of nudity, or "being male", but is a cultural change most prevalent among younger (and some not-so-young) men. I recently wrote an article on mandatory nude swimming in the 50s and 60s and interviewed many males of the era, but also younger men about their thoughts on high school nude swimming--a practice that is now "history." The sense I get from the younger men was first shock that it ever occurred, but also that the current more private norm is more about "respect" for each other, than anything else (and is not a fear of nudity, gays, what is means to be masculine, etc.) Granted, mandatory nude swimming is a far cry from locker room etiquette described in Kea's article, but in my opinion some of this change started when male same gender nude swimming ended, and it was mostly gone by the mid 70s. One recent high school graduate told me if it had been required for him, he would rather fail the class than go nude in a pool with his peers. He also said all the guys at his school now showered in their swimming suits, if at all. While we can all do what is comfortable for us in the locker room, no one should be surprised to see more modesty than in an earlier era, not unlike Kea's rules. All locker rooms are not the same, but the trend is certainly there for more modesty.


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jonnycomelately 5 years ago from Tasmania

the one guy, you have some good points there, but I disagree with one thing you have said: "...look whatever insecurities u have u dont have to write about it." Kea has written about it, he's given his views and opinions on the subject, that is very good for him to do. It's also good for others of us to read about. We can get another perspective on the subject. We can weigh our own opinions against those of others. We can all learn off each other. This is good men's stuff... sharing our thoughts and feelings, etc., without fear of being ridiculed. At least that happens if we all respect the other view.

I agree that we all take a peep at what the other guy is endowed with. That is normal, healthy and in no way perverted. Just be comfortable with it (and have fun if that is the way you like it!).


the one guy 5 years ago

really bro....really? dude u are probably, like most sane people here say, the weirdest guy ever. u probably didnt play sports in college or highschool where the dudes all showered together. ive done it and ive noticed that every guy looks at other guys junk. its a thing we straight guys do because we wanna know our competition....are we winning or what. look whatever insecurities u have u dont have to write about it. i actually laughed really hard at your childish school girl ways of getting around the locker room "aaaah omg theres a penis right there, i dont have one so im freaking out!!!" seriiously dude grow up.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

Michael, absolutely correct. Those of us who are unconscious of nudity comfortably converse in the showers -- and frankly, at my gym, that pretty much covers everybody -- at least on the morning "shift." One of the great things about being a guy is we just don't give a crap about nudity. While men may be concerned about their bodies -- hence the need to go to the gym -- we are not governed by our perceived deficiences, as women seem to be. Thus, you shower in a big room and everybody sees you, and your body may not be perfect but you aren't even thinking about it and neither is anybody else. You're just another guy. And I'm going to talk to you, oblivious of your nudity, because I see you every morning and it would be downright rude NOT to talk to you -- and because you have become, in a gym kind of way, a friend. I grew up with the understanding that women were the ones concerned about privacy -- that women were the ones embarassed to bare their bodies. I just never experienced that as a guy -- and I don't think any guy should.


Michael 5 years ago

Old this may be, this entire article has insecure written all over it. Communal showers frequently have conversations and goofing off. People who turn away from people or look people in the eyes too much usually come across as the wierdos, not the people who casually talk or goof off as they bathe. Maybe your experience is limited to a certain demographic, but at least in the US, it is not my experience.


Dave 5 years ago

Whoever wrote this trash sounds like an idiot, dude dont go to the gym if you have a problem with everyone!


dywane 5 years ago

dude , trust me , your not that good looking , dont go fearing that some naked guy in the shower is going to just throw himself at you,lol, seeing this artical, i would have to assume that its really just you thinking about other males sexually, cause your the only one with a problem with it , hmmmmm, can we say " still in the closet" kinda thing, geeesh , ya rather someone just shower in a swim suit , this country is already prude enough, and i am totally straight, but i also am a nudist who is completely comfortable with my body and self aswell as my wife with hers, we sit around naked at certain nudist resorts and swim , drink talk to OTHER naked people , and never has a thought of sex crossed our minds with them , my advice, GROW UP , for starters , and , GO HOME and do your crying somewhere else, like you not wanting to see someone naked in a locker room, is like us not wanting to here you complain


Straight Guy. 5 years ago

That,s it Zak,show your meat !


Zak 5 years ago

I'll be naked if I want!


Straight Guy. 5 years ago

So lets go Bi !


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jonnycomelately 5 years ago from Tasmania

Interestingly, there is a dilemma... When we have a clear set of social rules to go by, it can make life easier. We know where we stand, follow the rule, get accepted by others around us, feel safe as just one-in-the-crowd.

Then the human tendancy to want more from the-other-side-of-the-fence, where the grass is reported to be greener. We want a choice. We have our rights, don't we. So let's exercise those rights, stick up for our right to be different, explore the boundaries.

The rules are thrown out the window, we are left fending for ourselves, without the support of our community. We feel threatened.

We desire the best of both worlds: wanting the freedom to be nude when we want to, even when folks around don't like us doing it; yet we also call out to be accepted by the conservatives.

We want it both ways.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

I got to this site because a friend showed me a funny video about locker room etiquette, and when I went to go watch it again myself I became intrigued by the other sites that came up on search -- because as a very regular gym-goer, I hadn't thought much about whether I was observing proper etiquette in the locker room. I just go there and do what I've always done. However, I have definitely noticed this trend to modesty -- and I am sure at some point it will reach a critical mass as our locker rooms become increasingly populated by men who, as boys, did NOT have to change and shower in front of others. Already, many YMCAs are accommodating this trend by at least offering a couple of shower cubes -- which, as I've mentioned before, seem to only get used when the gang showers are full. It's hard for me to wrap my brain around the idea of being embarassed to be nude in front of other guys because I've been doing it for so long. But I suppose if I reached adulthood without ever having experienced a communal shower, I might be freaked out by it, too. Thankfully, I'm not.


Jeff 5 years ago

I am the "Jeff" with a number of comments noting a "cultural" change, not the "Jeff" just above, but I want to make a comment about Kea's note regarding why people look at this site. My take on this is that some men are not happy with the cultural changes about less open, same gender nudity that have occurred (albeit slowly) over the last 40 years, or so, and are seeking answers. Even though much of what what Kea says is the norm in many locker rooms even without his "rules", an Internet site that professes such rules would attract the ire of some men, and the forum gives them the opportunity to fight back and reinstate an earlier norm, rejecting any type of etiquette that restricts open nudity. I suspect the men we see actually doing the towel dance in locker rooms are not attracted to this site, and thus we do not see their comments. Atlanta Jim (above) saw first-hand what I was talking about, a cultural change--thanks for the observation. It started in schools many years ago, spread to private health clubs, and now permeates some Ys. That's not to say skinny-dipping at a private lake is out among buddies, but that open nudity with men you do not know, or are forced to be with (such as in school) is less apparent. I know there are exceptions, but I hear even in the military, personal privacy is much more respected than it was years ago. (I have no personal military experience, however). At my health club, anyone that is nude except for drying off in front of their locker, looks like a show-off peacock if they strut their stuff in open areas. It is simply not done much.


Jeff 5 years ago

I agree with most of what you said but I think legislating no nudity in a single gender steam room or sauna or whirlpool is not reasonable. Nudity is expected in these areas as it is considered the spa area. Moreover it is much healthier especially in the steam room to have no textiles. At the same time no one should make any comments whether one has a towel or not. At most towels can be worn in the steam room or sauna but bathing suits is pretty ridiculous. Nevertheless I don't really care one way or another.


STRAIGHT GUY. 5 years ago

KEA,I HAVE CHECKED ALL THE COMMENTS,MOST PEOPLE DON,T AGREE WITH YOU,MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS !

THE 1 THING I DO AGREE ON IS PEEING IN THE SHOWERS,NOT ACCEPTABLE !MENS LOCKER ROOMS/SAUNAS ARE NATURAL NUDE PLACES,NOT NUNS CONVENTS !!!


Straight Guy. 5 years ago

MAYBE KEA IS A DECENT GUY,BUT HE COMES ACROSS AS A HOMOPHOBIC,NOT COMFORTABLE WITH HIS OWN SEXUALITY !

LOCKER ROOMS/SAUNAS ARE PLACES WHERE MEN CAN RELAX/LET IT ALL HANG OUT.WHAT,S THE PROBLEM ?IF YOU GET OFFENDED DON,T GO.COVERING UP/TOWELS ETC.THAT,S JUST 4 ´´BIG GIRLS´´.

FOOTBALL/RUGBY CLUBS WOULDN,T TAKE THIS NONSENCE.GET REAL !


jonnycomelately 5 years ago

So, Straight Guy, if you can stick to posting open and fair comments, giving respect and reasonable comment, then we might get to reading something of you. I back Kea here. Even if we don't agree with him on occasions, he seems a very reasonable guy and worthy of a decent Hub here.


Straight Guy. 5 years ago

How strange ?But u did print it first 4 about 10 mins.

Then u took it out,why print at all ?


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kea 5 years ago Author

"Straight Guy" - your IP Address is logged, so I know you left several comments that appeared to come from other people, but were actually just you. I didn't think half the comments you left were appropriate so I didn't approve them.


Straight Guy. 5 years ago

Hi Kea,

First you print my comment,then you take it out ?

Please explain ?


Andy 5 years ago

Hey Kea,U gotta relax man,this is 2011 !

Hey Straight Guy,I,m a soldier,we do this to all the new recruits.

Turns boys into men !


Tom-Sportsman 5 years ago

Hey Kea,

A ?-Have you ever been naked with your friends ?

For me,nudity is completely normal,esp.with other men.

We all were born with the same,ok we have different shapes/sizes,but nothing to be ashamed of man.


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kea 5 years ago Author

Hello. Just thought I'd comment on my article. I find it interesting so many people do Google searches for "Men's Locker Room Etiquette", then bash this article once they read it. I wonder what the search is really about? Are the majority of you looking for an article to validate your inappropriate locker room behavior and say it's okay to hit on other guys in the locker room? And, to those of you that think I'm a homophobic or whatever, I'm not - I actually have several gay friends that know how to behave in the locker room :)


Bill 5 years ago

What a riduculous list of rules to follow in the locker room. Avoid showering facing the same direction? In other words if the person showering across from me turns in my direction, I have to turn in his direction so that we are staring at each other? Too many rules to remember. Only one rule as far as I am concerned. Don't stare at a guy's dick.


NAmeNA 5 years ago

we have a coed locker room and we actually get naked infront of the opposist gender. we also help each other wash their backs and stuff.


NAmeNA 5 years ago

we have a coed locker room and we actually get naked infront of the opposist gender. we also help each other wash their backs and stuff.


Indian_who_hates_homophobes 5 years ago

@ Kea: well, just who the bloody fuck do ya think ya are? A dictator? Don't grow to big for your boots, you cuckolded douchebag!


Gym Rat 5 years ago

you are a dork. This articl is so stupid suck a wast of time. You are very uptite.Must be a penis envy thing. Maybe your a bit short downthere.


jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Ok, thanks for that account, Atlanta Jim.... very informative and lots for us to think about. Yes, obviously this Thread has been going on for a long time; it's something that is important to a lot of us and this gives us a freedom of expression you could get probably no where else.

Is this reticence to nudity coming from a social aspect? Or a religious one? Is there a fear of some sort involved? I suggest that embarrassment is rooted in a primevil survival instinct: if you are peeing or squatting, you are at that moment vulnerable to surprise attack. So you look around before you start; do it as quickly and unobtrusively as you can; maybe cover it up to hide it; and get on you way again pronto. So maybe nudity in the Locker Room is a remnant of that instinctive behaviour.

Some understanding of ourselves, and the way we behave in any circumstance could pave the way to changing our reactions in some way, if we so desire. Individual choice of course.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

Just got back from a business trip. Worked out in every city, as I always do, mostly at Ys. Funny experience, though, in a health club I had the privelege to use while staying at a fancy hotel. It's early morning, bunch of guys in the locker room. I finish my work-out, find there's a typical communal shower with five or six heads and then two private cubes. Do you know that guys were actually WAITING to use the two cubes -- like a small line of guys in towels, while there was a whole room of open showerheads empty. Now to me, this is ridiculous. I think it was safe to assume these guys -- like me -- had jobs and meetings to get to and expeditious showering would have helped accomplish getting there on time. But no. Not one of them stepped into the communal showers. I, of course, did. The funny thing is, I felt like some kind of weird zoo animal doing it, because it seemed I'd broken some taboo at that health club. Oh my God! He's using the OPEN showers! I mean, It's not like I was prancing around naked. I walked to the showers in a towel, washed up and then put the towel back on. It was very strange. Back at my locker I even considered doing what, in high school, we considered "pussy" behavior -- pulling on my boxers while still wrapped in a towel. (But I didn't.)I think a previous poster hit it on the head. We are now seeing in our locker rooms men who never had to take showers or otherwise get naked in front of other kids in junior high and high school -- and they ARE bringing their more modest ways into the locker room. Is this a good thing? I don't think so. I think it puts an edge on the men's locker room that wasn't there before. I've always liked locker rooms because of their relaxed nature. And I think that DOES have something to do with the (at least previously) relaxed nature towards nudity.


5 years ago

How many years has this debate been going on for? Holy jalopos.


Wow 5 years ago

Someone's got a carrot stuck someplace. Hard. Take a pill, dude. Or stay out of locker rooms. You creep the rest of us out.


Jeff 5 years ago

Sometimes I think Americans tend to think of other cultures as very open about nudity, maybe a remnant of National Geographic 1950s-era African photos, don't know. While northern Europeans tend to be more open about the naked body in public saunas, etc. the opposite is true in many other parts of the world, including South Asia. I lived in India for some time, and men are very modest in the locker room. Men generally undress under a towel, similar to what is becoming more common in many U.S. locker rooms. The only place where I saw open nudity in India was in a five star hotel where Europeans mostly pranced around naked, and some Indians followed. I can understand why chintu would feel a bit uncomfortable in some locker rooms in the U.S. But in my opinion and experience, modesty in the U.S. is rapidly becoming more like India, and kia's perspective is more the rule than the exception (despite so many posts that try to say he is off base.) It's a cultural change, probably because nudity is no longer required in public situations at middle and high schools, and has not been required for many years. These guys are now grown, and brind their more modest ways to adult locker rooms, despite their more nude-friendly senior brethren.(and in my view, this has nothing to do with homosexuality or fear of nudity.....just a greater sense of modesty in public)


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jonnycomelately 5 years ago from Tasmania

Incidentally, I just checked out "American Beauty." Never saw it at the cinema.

My immediate impression is a film about American women, doing their usual put-down of men. The guys are seen as stupid, bungling, unintelligent, subservient to the woman's demands and to be always at their beck and call. Am I right? Maybe a bit biased, but you get the gist.

Ok, you could say men have had the control of women on our conscience for a long time, and this is payback time. Another debate for another time, even might start a Hub on it.

In the context of this Hub right now, I am wondering how much of the Locker Room syndrome is linked to men's difficulty in being naked when women/men are around. Would you do it? Would you be afraid of getting an erection if you were confronted with nudity? How much of your reaction is influenced by "moral" upbringing? I.e., the presumption that it's naughty to feel sexy, except in very limited, private circumstances.


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jonnycomelately 5 years ago from Tasmania

Not sure what you mean, Pietro. Can you explain a bit more please?

I feel that before being judgmental of any person, particularly like "chintu," we need to be more understanding of cultural differences. If you think everyone in the world is brought up with similar social "norms" to yourself, then you miss out on the huge variety of attitudes and points of view.

Have your own opinion, ok. But allow that others' opinions are also valid.


Pietro 5 years ago

You remind me of the dude in American Beauty. The closeted military guy who shoots his next door neighbour - after making a pass at him. That dude....


Pietro 5 years ago

You remind me of the dude in American Beauty. The closeted military guy who shoots his next door neighbour - after making a pass at him. That dude....


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jonnycomelately 5 years ago from Tasmania

chintu, if the "eye tends to go there," to a bum or a penis or boobs, I do not see this as something unnatural. Curiosity is built into our nature. How else would we get to know what is around? Certainly not something to feel guilty about. However, in keeping with my earlier post, if we have a sense of what might cause others discomfort by our curiosity, maybe then a little self discipline is appropriate.

With regard to your own inexperience of viewing the naked human body, with great respect to you, I hope you will gradually enjoy some of life's wonders! In your own time, in your own way, as it seems right for you.


attwist 5 years ago

I feel sorry for you. You have unresolved issues regarding nudity. Be free. Quit being so uptight!


chintu 5 years ago

Thanks for the article!!!

i am a hetrosexual indian male living in the US for few years. I kinda avoid going to the the locker room, only becauase I want to avoid seeing other people naked. I have never seen any adults naked so it is kind of wierd for me. If you haven't seen something often your eye tend to go to 'there'. Same goes for a womens bossom...My eyes just go there..


jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Does any one of you who has contributed to this Hub feel happy about saying straight to a guys face what you would like him to do/not to do?

If you can say what you really feel at that moment, can you do it affirmatively but without malice? Or do you feel so politically correct that you turn away from it and only vent your feelings outside to someone else, or even to this Hub?

It seems to me that there could be a lot of inward personal assessment here. Each of us to learn a bit more about living in community, whether we are happy with nudity or not... as I agree partly with Kea, there is a place for consideration of others' feelings.


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kea 5 years ago Author

I see at least Nick and a few others have some sense. Just today at the gym a guy was seated completely naked on a bench...it's just gross and inconsiderate. Also, for those of you that seem to think I'm ashamed of my body, I'm not. I just don't think the locker room should be a place for exhibitionism or lewd behavior.


Albert 5 years ago

locker rooms are the only place on hearth where guys can b gys and be politically incorrect and naked , this article just defines how gay the author is


Ringmaster 5 years ago

Dude get over yourself...other men are just fine showing themselves among others and your see them in a fucking locker room? Thats what it is for to dress/undress in...i think your being a homophobic little bitch. I am ok with my body and so are others and we're not gonna hide it cause some asshole like you came up with rules cause you become sick at the sight of another.


Nick 5 years ago

He's overstating some stuff, but overall I agree with some of the stuff above.

At my work gym, theres an old guy who always gets out of the shower ass-naked, stares at himself in the mirror while patting himself dry and shaking his shlong back and forth. He then combs his hair (still naked in front of the mirror. By in front I mean 15 feet away. In a spot where everyone has to walk by to get to lockers), and starts putting his stuff away (still ass-naked) and bending over everywhere he can. NO I dont keep an eye on him, but he does this EVERY DAY, in a cramped 20' by 20' locker room. Common courtesy, put a goddamn towel on. minimal nudity is ok, but any more than 5 seconds naked outside of the showers is overdoin it. Use a towel.

Other pet peeve: Old people shaving/stretching in the sauna. Every gym sauna I've seen has a sign saying dont shave or stretch in there. And every sauna has goddamn octagenarians doing both ass naked, throwing their shavings on the sauna floor. wtf?

I mean, I hope I'm not out of line by pointing this shit out. but courtesy for others, its a public locker room, not your own personnal nude camp.


jay 5 years ago

I have a real problem when people are so uptight about the human body whether it be male or female. What is wrong with the human naked body? Hey I am on the conservative side but this article is weird and VERY telling. WHY is the author obsessed with other men's penis's so much. Besides all men glance and check each other out...it' a natural thing to so and has NOTHING to do with being gay or not


jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Your comments are always well considered, and worth reading, thank you Jenny


Jenny 5 years ago

I am referring to comments made a number of weeks ago regarding the appropriateness of an uncle taking a little girl age 7-8 and her same-age friend into a mens' locker room and having them undress and shower in front of him and undress himself and be nude in front of them. There is a handbook used by the legal and psychiatric communities throughout the country called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It is available in public libraries, book stores and on-line. It describes the behaviors of pedophiles, their preferrences in age ranges for the children whom they abuse and what they do with children including, undressing in front of the children, undressing the child or having the child undress in front of them, gently touching or fondling the children and on up the range to the most egregious assaults on kids. One who does not want to be mistaken for a duck should take care to avoid walking or talking like a duck. As far as parents with history of abuse or a therapist with that history it would probably be better to avoid an area where it might be extremely difficult for them to maintain boundaries and refer the child to someone else for therapy.


Rob 5 years ago

I agree with some of his points, such as other men trying to converse with me naked. However, definitly a combination of obsessive compulsive anxiety/latent homosexuality at play here. The author should understand that many men are not as insecure about their body as he is. With age, those insecurities diminish.


jonnycomelately 5 years ago

At 25 yrs of age you are not a boy.... you have totally free choice and I wish you well. Enjoy your life, but have a respect for those around you. If it will cause unpleasantness, don't do it. If everyone else is happy with it, go ahead. Simple courtesies.


manojkumar 5 years ago

i am 25year old boy i will be roaming naked daily.daily 24hrs i will be naked.many girls saw me naked.i bus also i went naked.girls please vote for me for this comment


Alann 5 years ago

You sound like a typical descendant of Puritans, who went around the world to teach savages how to dress. Have you ever been on the continent, say France where in the most common swimmingbath everyone is naked, no partitions or cubicles to undress and where one can talk naked to each other; or for instance Finland and the whole of Scandinavia, where on sits butt naked on the bench. Get a life and grow up. My life long I have had to fight prudes like you! BEAT IT. It's your kind that made England and America sick and is now contaminating the rest of the world.


Tom Smith 5 years ago

Agreed.

Towel on the bench, cause guess what the last guy that sat there made contact with his a-hole, because he did not use a towel. Do you want his remnants on you.

Nudity - Right, I am sitting and putting on my shoes and I do not want your dick in my face.


Eric 5 years ago

TO: Atlanta Jim. Thanks for getting back to me man, I'm actually a bit surprised it happened. Your last post here was quite some time before your reply to me. and in that time i've had some self reflection. I pretty much decided its not that big of a deal as I make it out to be. I'm going to the gym to better myself, I should not feel ashamed of that, in ANY stage of the process. and i've also decided once I have the extra cash i'm going to get a membership at the local gym, and just use it. I might not be confident fully in my body now, but if I use the gym I'll A: gain a better more confident body, and B: loose some of that "anxiety" a bring on that "second nature" feeling you mentioned. back to A: If i never let myself go to the gym A: could never happen. So I just gotta do it (although you can workout outside a gym, but I feel with paying for membership and getting out of my comfort zone, I'll be pushed to do better)


Perrin53 5 years ago

Sorry I'm late on joining in but it's a great topic. First, I used to inspect swimming pools in health clubs and could tell some gross stories about the use of whirlpools (jets in the spas were used for all sorts of things) and shower rooms. The guys who were most out of shape usually didn't cover up - most of the others tried to stay modest, kept their lockers near the showers and covered up. I felt a little strange discussing an inspection when there were nude men standing in front of you or walking past. It was difficult to stay focused.

Second, for the guy who asked 'what kind of gym class was that?' I went to high school in the '70s where there were regular nude swim classes for the boys (swim team members wore suits) for my entire time in school ('65-'71) and I found out it continued after that (until civil rights entered the picture). I never could understand how it was allowed, in the most formative period of a boy's life.

The reason was supposedly to cut down on cleaning bills for the suits (though the school provided towels). It was used to 'toughen' up the boys and, of course, separate out the gays (me). Of course, you better not look at anyone and god help you if you were 'small'. The coach didn't read from Ulysses but he should have. You haven't lived until you've experienced nude diving, running on deck and the backstroke. There were inspections in the showers to be sure you had showered properly. I never forgot that whole experience and won't go into a health club. (and yes, I'm gay - if I wasn't sure before swim class, I learned it quickly).


Bob 5 years ago

Whoever wrote this, it's just freakin skin. Nobody normal does this stuff. It sounds like you are just that only one kid in your swimming class that changed in the stall. I'm sorry but I just can't let this go without saying my word. I do agree about the peeing in the shower part though.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

To Eric: I've been a gym-rat for so long that it's hard for me to believe there are people out there -- especially men -- who are uncomfortable with the "gym culture," such as it is. But let me put you at ease. All KINDS of people go to the gym. Enormously overweight people right down to the buff guy you aspire to emulate. They're all there for the same reason, and if you are there to work your body, you are respected. But trust me, most of the time you are barely noticed. As for getting naked... at my gym (A Y) the showers are communal and we play shirts and skins and I doubt anybody thinks anything of it. I think it's normal for someone aged 20 to have some left-over self-consciousness from the teen years, but trust me... join a Y, go regularly, and you will condition yourself to body acceptance -- and improvement. And make no mistake, I advocate improvement. Does a taut, fit body FEEL more self-confident than a flabby one? You bet. And I know. I've been in both places. Not sure how to advise you on the showering thing. I've been doing it since sixth grade basketball, so to me, showering with other guys is second-nature. Just do it. Join a gym, work out and take a shower. You will quickly see it's no big deal. In fact, it's NO deal. For God's sakes, at my gym guys carry on extended conversations in the showers -- oblivious to nudity (Yes, I'm one of them. "Did you see that catch in center field..." ). Seriously, nobody cares. Wishing you the best on your road to fitness.


Ron 5 years ago

The guy who made this "list of rules" clearly is not comfortable with his sexuality! I have had many great conversations with guys in the showers/sauna. Real men dont listen to these rules. Do whatever you want. Its the mens room. You can be a man! Dont follow a stupid list of rules some dick made up


fi 5 years ago

you sound a bit uptight, maybe get a bowflex, stay at home do your workout, and call it a day, maybe join a gym that has private showers for you


Jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Jenny, taking up your statement: "I work in the psych industry in acute care with children and adults..." can I ask you to give your opinion on one subject, viz., how people "successfully" counsel a child after he/she has been involved in some kind of sexual abuse?

I am working from the premise that if the parent, or counsellor even, has some background of a problem in their own life, and has a sense of dirtiness, horror, anger, disgust, then it could lead to the child going away with this attitude enhanced in his/her own mind.

How do you give the child better coping skills? How do you build the ability of the child to confront and deal with any future threat? How do you help children to put any trauma behind themselves, and have a happy, joyful attitude to sex in general?

Hopefully other readers will have some constructive things to say here.


Jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Eric, in case it's of interest to you, not wishing this reply to be any kind of "advisory" thing to you, because your feelings and sensitivities are paramount here: I am thing back to when I turned 40 (30 years ago now), and I had been living in a small dwelling and had no full-lenght mirror. Had not seen myself in "all my glory" for a few years. Then stayed briefly in a motel where I could see myself in a big mirror. And WHAT a shock! My body had got podgy, a bit of a belly, not the young guy I always assumed myself to be! It was very depressing for a while, and it hurt me inside.... self-talk and all that.

Ultimately, I warmed to my true self inside. Don't quite how that came about, but it did. Maybe - yes I think from memory this is what happened - I laughed out loud to myself, in the mirror. It's coming back to me now. That being able to laugh gradually changed into love. Then "ugly" people started to appear in a different light in my eyes.

Not saying I find everyone who is nude sexy. Far from it. I have the natural tendancy to like or not like, choose or not choose. Even someone who is anything like me in looks would not attract me sexually, but they are acceptable fully as bona fide individuals, and I can talk to them face to face, particularly if they are nude in front of me as well.

I guess in conclusion that it's a matter of becoming harmonious with one's self.


At least I'm cool 5 years ago

Anyone who has a reaction to another naked body of the same sex is a potential closet case. "I don’t want to talk to another dude naked and neither should you." is a reaction. Get over it people and respect the human body. Nudity does not equal sex for the sane person. A sane, sexually mature person can see a naked body without reaction. Can you?


Jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Thank you also Jenny. This has taken the conversation into something much more down-to-earth and into mature thinking.

To Kea - you have started a Thread which has carried on over a couple of years.... it's good to hear one and every point of view. Thank you, too.


Jenny 5 years ago

FYI--Regarding little girls in men's locker rooms: I work in the psych industry in acute care with children and adults---I most certainly do not have a bias against men and totally agree that, since the early days of the Women's movement men have been portrayed in ads as immature, bungling idiots and I find that to be appalling. what message does that send to children? However, by the age of 4 or 5 children these days are able to dress themselves. That is part of the school-preparedness prep. Also, girls in the US now enter puberty at a much earlier age--Nine or ten years old. Dells's niece and her friend should not have been in the men's locker room no matter how well-intentioned every man there may have been. And, no one there would really have known what the thoughts and intentions of strangers might be. when children are sexually abused it is often by someone who is nice to them, and, as one commenter said, often it is by someone close to them. The most frequently used statement by men who have gotten into some mess by sexual actions is, "I don't know how it happened--It just did." That applies whether it was with another adult or a child. What I am saying is that it doesn't matter what your personal philosophy is regarding society and what you think it should be. You have to deal with the reality of what it is at this time. Be conservative when dealing with children who are not your own. This applies for both men AND women. If someone makes an accusation, you may have not done anything wrong at the shower, but I guarantee you will have a difficult and expensive fight to protect yourself. One final thing--I once heard an old lawyer say, "In a court of law a lawyer doesn't have to be right --They just have to convince a jury that they are right." Try getting a job or having a decent place to live if you get convicted as a sex offender.


Eric 5 years ago

@Atlanta Jim Your name caught my eye so many times reading the comment on this "article" if you can call it that. And your words always seemed insightful caring, and concerned. I do agree that were loosing sight on more important things. People should not get so bothered by nudity. But society has sorta shaped us this way. For myself.. I'm only 20 years old, I'm not in the best of weight, and I'm looking into finding a gym to get in better shape. I'd like to use the gym like any other guy, but I'm very concision about myself.. Not the best self Image... And for me. Showering in school was not mandatory. unless it was after swimming, and even then we had swim trunks on... I've been cultured to feel ashamed of myself, and I hate it.. I'd be great to hear some words from you, or heck anyone here...


Jeff 5 years ago

I re-read your comments, and may I emphatically say I agree with the gender bias comments made in paragraph five, irrespective of my feedback about females of any age in a men's locker room.


Jonnycomelately, 5 years ago

Good points you have made, thank you Jeff


Jeff 5 years ago

Jonnycomelately,

While I have no problem with your comments focusing on the child, you forgot one important aspect...me and the many like me. I would be incensed and angry at any, repeat any female in the locker room with me regardless of age and "reason", except someone perhaps under the age of three with a father. I also have gender rights, and the club management would soon know about it, and most would immediately put an end to it. Some locker rooms (usually Ys or park district-operated facilities that seem to run into the problem more frequently)specifically have signage explaining this, and to contact a staff member who can assist with mixed gender child/adult situations. It is not the father's or mother's right to make that decision for all the others in a gender specific locker room. And this has nothing to do with perversion, sexuality, fear of nudity, etc...simply societal standards of gender privacy. It applies equally to a women's locker room.


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jonnycomelately 5 years ago from Tasmania

Well put, Dig.

But to Jenny, I hear what you are saying, but a couple of questions for you, by way of discussion:

First, do you see anything inherently wrong in Dell being in charge of a little girl like that, and taking her to the swim pool?

Secondly, how is he to get that little girl changed into her swim wear? Does Dell go into the women's changing room and help her there?

Thirdly, do you suppose that in every room with males undressing there are bound to be unsavory men who are a danger to children? If you do think this, then I propose that you and people who perpetuate this bias against men are part of the problem.

This is a popular assumption. Men are frequently portrayed in the mass media as 2nd class citizens: in the soap operas, in police-type series, political commentaries, etc. The guy is portrayed as silly; unintelligent; bungling; sex-crazed; dependent on the accompanying woman's support. This bias even starts with little kids in the kids' programs! It's written into the scripts!

So, coming back to the changing room scene, the strong probability is that every man who is changing in that room is the safest man around, who would be the most supportive and protective of that young girl. We only think that pedophilia is an epidemic because the newspapers and TV tell us it is. Statistically I believe, it is shown that persons (male and female!) who are very closely related to a child are the ones most likely to abuse them.

I suggest that the best service you can give to little/young boys and girls is the ability to spot dangers. Talk with them about it. Be open about the body, and help to dispel guilty attitudes. Give them hints as to what is likely to happen in the next few years as they go into and through puberty. Warm them about what a few people might try to do. Help the child to be open about what is happening to them, and about any untoward suggestions from other adults. Help the child to know you as a trust-worthy person whom he/she can confide in, safely.

If you clam up an any of these things I have mentioned above with the child, then you might be clamming up on your own obsessions or phobias - and you need to look into that!


Jenny 5 years ago

To those who responded to my comments regarding Dell's activities regarding his niece, whose father had died, and her friends (taking the little girls--ages 7-8 y/o into an all male locker-room and showering in front of them and having them shower in front of him: The key elements are that it is not up to Dell to make the decision. Were the mother of the niece and the parents of the friend aware that Dell is doing this? There was an option for the girls to use the ladies' locker room. In this society and at this time this would be considered to be risky and suspect behavior---Even if Dell doesn't have criminal activity on his mind others might regard him as being a possible pedophile. That, if nothing else shows that Dell has poor judgment---If someone else makes a complaint(possibly one of the other guys in the room) how is Dell's activity going to look to the cops? If Dell's best intentions are to provide a parenting role for his fatherless little niece he shouldn't risk having that opportunity taken away by using bad judgment. Last, but not least important---Dell doesn't know the backgrounds of the other males going in and out of the locker room---Does he want to risk having his niece and her friend be targeted by sex offenders? The school programs try to teach children to be wary these days, but kids are very vulnerable to predatory adults nevertheless.


Jenny 5 years ago

To those who responded to my comments regarding Dell's activities regarding his niece, whose father had died, and her friends (taking the little girls--ages 7-8 y/o into an all male locker-room and showering in front of them and having them shower in front of him: The key elements are that it is not up to Dell to make the decision. Were the mother of the niece and the parents of the friend aware that Dell is doing this? There was an option for the girls to use the ladies' locker room. In this society and at this time this would be considered to be risky and suspect behavior---Even if Dell doesn't have criminal activity on his mind others might regard him as being a possible pedophile. That, if nothing else shows that Dell has poor judgment---If someone else makes a complaint(possibly one of the other guys in the room) how is Dell's activity going to look to the cops? If Dell's best intentions are to provide a parenting role for his fatherless little niece he shouldn't risk having that opportunity taken away by using bad judgment. Last, but not least important---Dell doesn't know the backgrounds of the other males going in and out of the locker room---Does he want to risk having his niece and her friend be targeted by sex offenders? The school programs try to teach children to be wary these days, but kids are very vulnerable to predatory adults nevertheless.


Dig 5 years ago

"American football players also like to ass slap their buddies on the field, which is less typical in European football."

This comment still makes me laugh everytime I read it.

Has nobody in the U.S. ever seen a Rugby match?


Dig 5 years ago

Jenny,

I totally agree that taking a young niece and her friends into a men's locker room is totally inappropriate, given that it is designated as a gender-specific place intended for men only and no doubt will make all parties concerned uncomfortable.

Generally speaking though, it dismays me that the naked human body has been stigmatized to the point where we all feel the need to shield it from each other. There are places in the world where people of all ages bathe and swim nude publicly... families, friends, strangers, young children and adults alike, and it is thought of as nothing more than human beings being naked and completely natural around each other.

I've got zero problem with young boys and girls seeing adult men and women naked in a natural and non-threatening environment, asking questions, learning about the human body, and being raised to appreciate rather than be embarrassed by, their own bodies.

The more we view public nudity as shameful and perverted, the more it will become so. If we make it a non-issue, then it will be a non-issue. I really feel bad for people, who like myself unfortunately, were raised to feel that the naked body is something to be covered up and avoided except in sexual circumstances.

For all the progress human beings have supposedly made, we sure seem to be going backwards on some pretty important points.

Probably the most important ones even.


Wilson 5 years ago

I could read some comments that seem to dislike this article. One thing I could say, this article is all about decency in public. It's how you behave in public and the mens' locker room and shower are considered public.


Phill 5 years ago

Awesome article! I agree 100% with you. As a guy who has been going to the gym for two years along with my job having community showers I seen more penis' than I care to admit. It's totally fine to take advantage of these showers, but some guys just don't get it.


gymbuff 5 years ago

This sounds like it was started by someone who has some SERIOUS issues with their own sexuality. Being naked in a men's locker room is NO BIG DEAL AT ALL. There's nothing to be ashamed of, and you don't have to have the attitude that just because you have all of your clothes off that men are gonna be coming onto you, or that everything means something sexual!!!


Jenny 5 years ago

This is for Dell---You should absolutely not be taking your 7-8 y/o niece and her friends into a mens' locker room with you! And you showered in front of her? Where is this child's mother and what is she thinking in allowing this? Or, doesn't she know. I can tell by the way that you are rationalizing your behavior that you know that it's wrong. The poor little girl.


Jeff 5 years ago

I suppose things are different from locker room to locker room and health club to health club, but there is definitely a trend to more male modesty amongst men. The author's "rules" might not sit well, but rules or no rules, there is not as much open nudity as there used to be 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago. In my view it has nothing to do with sexual orientation, fear of nudity or many of the other reasons presented here, but it is just a societal change.....look around......those parading around nude are generally older, and it seems some are trying to preserve the old rules by finding all of these reasons to retain male immodesty, as though it is something every male should embrace because it is "masculine" to be openly nude in all-male situations. Well, things change, and we would not be having such a spirited forum if this were not the case. If some men do the "towel dance", well, nothing will stop them, and is seems to be much more common today, and increasingly so.


Mike 5 years ago

Dude, you have way too much worry over the whole nudity thing. I think you might be trying to suppress the temptation to look at a dude's junk.

In any case, your "rules" are mostly ridiculous.


ecointerest 5 years ago

Sorry, there was one very important mis-typo there: "You can say that homosexual men, per see, have disrespect for women." Of course it should read "CAN'T say."

I should also have said that I also have a dim view of any man who makes a nuisance of himself in public, like in a changing room. We each need to be aware of the discomfort we might cause another person, and put our passions out of sight until an appropriate time. Even as a child I was taught not to stare. Bring back some basic decency and respect.


ecointerest 5 years ago

If I might expand this conversation just a bit, in the light of the most recent posts, which I have found most interesting. The variety of points of view are all respected, whether I agree with them or not.

I am "gay," if that is adequate as a description. It means I am homosexual, this being an adjective NOT a noun, and NOT a label, please.There is not such thing as "a" homosexual. There are no conclusive outer signs that a man is homosexual. There are no essential characteristic which define a person as homosexual.

You can't say that because a man kisses another man, or hugs him warmly, that he is homosexual. As Gaz has said above, many heterosexual men are very happy with such intimacy. You can't say that because a man has some effeminate mannerisms, he is homosexual. There are heterosexual men who are extremely effeminate. Yet they are apparently very heterosexual. You can't say that because a man enjoys anal intercourse he must be homosexual. I can tell you a fact: not all homosexual men enjoy anal intercourse. I, for one, would not entertain it except in a very special circumstance, with a very special person who was really in tune with me, and me with him. On the other hand, there are many heterosexual men who do enjoy anal intercourse. I suspect it's a fetish with many of them - look at some of the gross "straight" (a misnomer if ever there was one!) porn on the Internet. You can say that homosexual men, per see, have disrespect for women. Much of the porn mentioned above treats women purely as sex objects. Women who make good friends with gay guys find them un-threatening, supportive, good conversationalists, great companions. Compare this with some of the so-called normal, hetersexual marriages, where argument, power play, violence, abuse, cruelty are inherent.

So, in an enlightened world, we will all agree to live, learn and love together. Find ways to be non-judgmental. Open our eyes to see reality, instead of a picture born out of prejudice, fed by ignorance.

The naked human body is a reality which each of us lives with. If you think your god made it, then value it and don't call it bad. Sex was built into our psyche by the same god. Value it, and have fun, responsibly. Don't call it bad.


tiber 5 years ago

At a men's locker room there was a hut tub. I entered it naked with another gentleman who was there and was wearing baggies. I was onlt embarrassed bty the fact that my penis was a stub,wished that it would stretch a little.


Gaz 5 years ago

This whole site seems completely wrong in its message, either the author is homophobic or just a plain idiot. Ok lets imagine for a second the author isn't homophobic then what is being communicated here is very old fashioned way of looking at male bonding, nudity and intimacy. Lots of straight men these days feel completely comfortable being naked in front of other straight men and even enjoy physical connection e.g hugs, slaps and general play. The author writes about nudity and exposure like we are in the early 1900's and nudity or closeness with other naked individuals is unhealthy for the body and mind. If the author is homophobic it would explain a lot of the content of this blog. I am a straight man who is completely comfortable being naked in the locker room with other guys and not considering the politics of what should and shouldn't be done as exceptable. I have gay friends who I also feel comfortable in the locker room with and so do my other straight friends. Its 2011 my friend come and join us in the present.


jarvis 5 years ago

You sound like a guy who would put his pants on over his wet swim suit. I see this happen a lot, I shower naked before and after being in the pool. I love being nude around others in a locker room because it is the closest thing to a nude beach!


Dig 5 years ago

This article mad me laugh out loud.

Seriously, dude, come out of the closet already. Real straight men just aren't hung up about nudity in locker rooms like you are, let alone write a whole article on it like a terrified little schoolgirl.

And to the commenter who thinks it's wierd that American footballers pat each other on the butt and said you'd never see that in Europe... you have obviously never been to a Rugby match or been around ruggers in a locker room! Those boys grab a lot more than each other's butts on the playing field.

What a repressed bunch we Americans are.


Jake 5 years ago

The only people that are embarrassed by naked guys is gay guys. The perso who wrote this article/rant is definitely gay. If your straight you don't care if guys are walking around naked everywhere your interested in girls and seeing another persons penis isn't going to change that. Also all guys in the world meaning 3 billion people have penises it's not something to be ashamed of and hide. The only reason guys feel akward around other naked guys is because they are afraid seeing another naked guy will awaken their represed homosexuality. If your straight and confident with your orientation you garenteed won't feel embarrassed being naked around other guys and other guys being naked around you.


Aaron Weaver 5 years ago

A group that shows a view on nudity in locker rooms and swimming. This group is of Christian men who enjoy skinny-dipping.

http://gasguys.wordpress.com


Kevin 5 years ago

Jeez the people on these comments need to calm down. I see no problem having a set etiquette in a place where people are often naked around one another. Like you think the guy has body issues because he wrote an article about shower etiquette? Calm down. I don't get most of the people here. Most people probably wouldn't care about seeing a naked person in a locker room, but half these comments make it seem like they like the locker room bc of the nudity, which I would think is weird. Seriously guys calm down with telling the guy he has problems bc he doesnt want to see a bunch of naked guys he doesnt know. How many guys would actually WANT that? And I've been to many gyms that have stalls, it's becoming much more normal. Personally, I don't think nudity is a huge deal, because we're all built the same, but I think locker room etiquette makes perfect sense. Don't say this guy has body issues just from one article he writes! That's ridiculous! Just ignore him and go shower with all your guy friends if you enjoy it so much.


chris nyc 5 years ago

Damn bro, u must have some issues. Dude, most guys are cool being naked with other dudes. your 'rules' just make you look like a homophobe. I'm a str8 married guy, and yeah, bro - we all chack each other out in the locker room- it's a guy thing. get over your bs.


Bret 5 years ago

The author of this article is obviously afraid of his body and males in general. Get some help. Do you soap up your mirrors at home? Do you wait for a stall at the ballgame because you can't pee at urinal? Whatever.


Art 5 years ago

No big deal dude, seeing another one naked at the guy's locker room shouldn't be something one would have to worry about. If one minds his own business, there is no much need to follow this etiqutte.

Just be sure of who you are and don't worry, come on.


Mizro 5 years ago

Dude!!! give ur self a break!!! A seeing a guy isnt a big deal....theres no difference anatomically between u and the other nude guy!! i think u r being too self conscious!!! Chill out !! come to india!! i will show u what is nudity....public nudity!!


dingodino 5 years ago

I know you're half joking about this but also half serious and just wanted to point out something:

Being naked in the sauna is not just "the absolute correct way to be" in the sauna but it actually makes me angry when I see dudes wearing clothes in there. I've seen guys come in with full sweat suits and socks/sneakers. THAT is disgusting. The heat releases all kinds of crap from the fabrics and the hot steamy air carries all that crap right to your skin. The whole reason you use a sauna is to clean your skin of impurities. If that's not why you're there - get the heck out.

In Finland, where the sauna is almost a religion, you are generally not allowed to even wear swim trunks and should only use a small towel or seat mat to sit on so your dirty ass things don't infect the bench...and others! AND...please take a shower BEFORE you enter the sauna and do it naked - just don't gawk at the other sauna users...that is creepy and really annoying.


Jeff 5 years ago

To: Calling it Straight

While the "joke strap" may be a typo,in some ways it is a correct statement. Unless it has a plastic cup for protection during contact sports, it is truly a joke, serving no purpose. A bit of nylon protects nothing, and it was originally invented to pull the genitals away from the bar while riding a bike (hence the commercial name). I remember the teachers of the WWII generation in the 60s insisting it be worn in gym class, and I could never figure out how a bit of nylon would protect anything (which it did not). Well, someone figured that out, and they do not wear them much anymore, and it is even hard to find the old style without a built in cup. They are more like briefs today.


Calling it straight. 5 years ago

Holy crap...

Listen, if your so bent out of shape by seeing another man nude, a joke strap, or someone standing naked on a scale. Here is my advise to you:

Put on a blind fold,or simply gouge out your eyes, I'm sure that will fix the problem.. Best of luck. And get over it...


Steve 5 years ago

The guys in the locker/shower rooms at my YMCA, don't seem to care one way or another. Towel/no towel, nude/strapped/clothed or variation... those who want to look or show do, those who don't want to seem to focus on their own business. The guys seem to occupy their own space at their own pace, and would interpret the etiquette suggestions as just one's own opinion... not the law of the men's locker room. General courtesy should prevail as everywhere in life!


Gaius Cilius 5 years ago

I would caution the author of this article about museums. You should not linger near any classical Greek or Roamn sculpture depicting Apollo, Hermes, Hercules, Theseus, Neptune. Aries, Perssus or any other Greek or Roman hero or deity. This goes for paintings of these subjects as well. Someone might think you are gay if you look at one just a second or two too long.


fitz 5 years ago

about 11 years ago I use to go to a YMCA and from what I remember you sound like the type of people I'd run into in there.


Jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Mr. Comment, (4 months ago), your post is generally reasonable I feel, however there are a couple of blatantly biased statements which I must point out for you to reconsider:

"Granted, most men these days are dogs and they sleep with almost anything...." How would you know this? Do you have personal experience which convinces you? This is so sweeping a statement that if you uttered a similar opinion about women they would be down on you like a shot. Say it about men, and you fit in with the current-day media passtime of ridiculing men. Some men might fit the label but not MOST.

"Old men with fat stomachs are always those creeps who take light years to get dressed." Another shocking prejudice! I remember some years ago, I was sun-bathing nude on a "natural" beach sand dune, reading a book. Along the water's edge came a nude couple, man and woman, hand-in-hand, chatting, laughing, thoroughly enjoying the sunshine and each other. They were the fattest two people I have ever seen! On first impressions, "ugly" to me. Yet there were two lovely people, firmly in love obviously, and without a care and they saw that each other was beautiful.

So your bias against fat men is your very subjective view.


jonnycomelately 5 years ago

Of course God only made the human body to be clothed, didn't he? I mean, everything below the belt (the navel, that is) is of Satan. It's temptation glorified, and you will never get to heaven if you think the human body (especially the sexy bits)is enjoyable. You must be straight-laced at all times, very serious, keep your eyes front, concentrate on how you are going to make money out of people, not how you want to screw them down below.

Your cock is only to be used as a pissa unless you are lying in bed, with your wife in the missionary position. Any untoward raising of the tumescence is an unforgivable sin and you will NOT be admitted to Heaven.

So There!


jen 5 years ago

ok if you dont like looking at naked men then just laugh

hel put sum clouth on


Chris 5 years ago

I can see where your coming from mate but personally it just doesn't bother me what so ever, I remember a few years back in secondary school when we had physical education no one cared there was around 20 kids 12-16 year old running around in the locker rooms completely naked pretty much every time and no one cared one bit.

My advice is to either accept it or find other ways to get changed that won't offend you or others who feel uncomfortable.


Bert 5 years ago

LMAO

Gyms are for poofs. Universally.


Jeff 5 years ago

Leih,

I have also traveled all the continents except Antarctica, but you have obviously never lived in India and gone to locker rooms frequented by Indians. The are extremely modest, and have the "towel dance" down to a work of art. They make Americans look very open, and Europeans look like downright exhibitionists!! I am not referring to Indian five star hotels that are largely influenced by western culture, but local health clubs, swim pool locker rooms, etc. I cannot vouch for Pakistan, Afghanistan and neighboring countries, but I suspect it is not much different there.


Leih 5 years ago

I am from Hungary but i lived in California for 4 years. Ive traveled the world pretty much and been to all continents except for Antarctica . Ive gotta say, you americans are the most uptight of them all! In no other country would nudity in a LOCKER ROOM (not cinema or resteraunt) cause such a dilema!


John 5 years ago

Oh please! I am not afraid of or offended by nudity in the locker rooms at the gyms I go to. It's a gym for crying out loud. I see men nude, it's no big deal. All the gyms I have been to have had separate showers, but open. Only recently have they enclosed them. I actually am of the opinion that seeing men showering in shorts or bathing suits is odd, and rather homophobic. We are all men, we all have dicks. You stand out more if you go out of your way to cover up! if men feel secure enough to be naked & stand around talking, i say great! Congrats on being more open and comfortable with you self and other men. I have seen lots of positive male camaraderie in the locker room, and men who are comfortable in that setting, while naked. I have seen men who obviously want to avoid men looking at them at all costs. It always is a mixture of both. I am not there to cruise, pick up, or anything. I just don't mind if if I see another guy nude. It's called normal locker room activity. Deal with it or take care of it at home!


ha ha! 5 years ago

Oh my god, this piece defines "gay panic". I'm irritated by just about everyone at my gym, but you have major issues. You obviously find the change room to be a sexy zone, because you're pre-occupied with it, and yet you're too repressed to just give a guy a blow job already. Too funny.


Ben 5 years ago

Relax mate - it's only a bit of penis :P

It's a locker room, being naked is perfectly normal - i'm 26, bi Aussie male. Now I don't run around for prolonged periods of time naked but I certainly have no issues with getting changed in the open or sitting naked in the Sauna and chatting to people - after all what is the problem, we all have a penis, cut/uncut who cares - it's not a big deal.

You'd probably be best avoiding Korea and Japan in your travels - friends going to the local sento(public bath) in Japan and relaxing in the hot tub nude is pretty normal over there - no one feels self conscious about it


jt 5 years ago

this is full of bullshit....you are way too uptight.....


Anna 5 years ago

Sounds like the author was raised by a single mom, and sounds like that mom must have been a fundie christian.


James 5 years ago

Most guys enjoy being naked and enjoy being around other naked guys. It's called bonding and, no, it's not just something gay dudes do. Let it all hang out, bro - you're only alive once. Embrace your body! Breathe!


Tom 5 years ago

I noticed a comment earlier about pedophiles. A pedophile is a person of either gender who is sexually attracted to a person who has NOT started puberty. Earlier a comment was made about the 16 year old boy and an older man who asks to touch his penis. What the older man did was illegal since the teen is not yet 18, but hardly a pedophile. What he did is illegal also for an additional reason in that he is guilty of sexaul harrassment which would be true regardless of the age fo the other person. Had the guy and be 18 or 81, it still would have been legally wrong. There are people who "get off" molesting old people who are defenseless as well. Some 16 year olds look 14 and some look 19. I suspect the man misjudged the boys age. Not knowing the boy's age is no excuss for the man's behavior, it Was Sexual Harrassment and in this case involved a minor.


Evan 5 years ago

I think I and every body els can be naked like never do that stuff. I have a hottube in mine and I go in naked. I mean every body has a penis every body has a butt some people my not have a 6pk but I do. So I find it fine to go around naked I'm fine with it and ps I go to the gym and pool ect. Plus I'm not gay and I don't go to a gay gym


Rad 5 years ago

This guy has some serious hang ups - I agree "he protest too much". Face the other direction in the shower was particularly telling and humorous.


Bill 5 years ago

You're definitely uptight about nudity. There was a time you could sit nude in a sauna. Guess everyone's so paranoid about gay these days.


Me 5 years ago

Really? Has it come to this? I love being naked in the sun, on the beach etc.....but really...why is it NEVER not ok?....its a naked body.....it is NORMAL....u folk with serious body hang ups...get a grip. Seriously. End of.


Michael 5 years ago

I agree with these rules and I'm gay! The funny thing about most comments is that they assume he is insecure or homophobic but in reality neither of his rules indicate that! He is not talking about running hiding you penis from sight like if your scared to be looked at he is saying don't be rude n just stand their looking at it! And don't put it in some1 face by walking around in front of them while they sitting down! But respectful of the st8 guys there! I'm 23 and I cannot stand them old wrinkly guys just starring at me, it's disgusting, why bc obviously they are not attractive just like gay guy 2 a st8 guy! Or you know what scratch that just b honest with rude and say hey creep can u stop starring at me? Lmao if you have to pick up guys in the locker room then your pathetic, just glance at his penis but don't be rude and stare!


Rego 5 years ago

I think that being naked in the locker room isn't illegal. We are men so we can do what we should do.


Ridiclus 5 years ago

This article was ridiculous. I agree with the vast majority of commenters that the author has some issues to work through with his shrink...


MWood 5 years ago

Kes's Locker Room Etiquette is right on the mark. I can find no fault with any point of etiquette he has articulated. The comments critical of the article (and the author personally), are just plain laughable. In fact, I laughed quite a bit reading them!


Mr. Comment 5 years ago

@fultonjw I agree it is a shift in the accepted norm. Modesty has played a part in new rules of etiquette, we live in a world where personal privacy holds weight. As for the military, that kind of situation is generally chosen and the men who choose understand the order. In a military situation the people that ones surrounded by are usually his peers, and this makes things very different. The Military holds the same connotation as a sports team. So nudity in such an environment holds less meaning, when wars reigning nudity becomes meaningless.


fultonjw 5 years ago

Personally, I do not freak out about nudity at all...just commenting on the social interaction we see today. And, no I was never in the military, but a very small percentage of males are, or ever were in the military, at least since the WWII generation. Even in the Vietnam era, only about 10 percent of age-relavent males were in the military. Granted, it is likely more open there (although I hear the military is much more modest than it used to be--no more mass naked physicals, etc.)but since most guys in health clubs today never had any experience there, the military experience has little effect on overall behavior in the locker room today.


agaman 5 years ago

Dude... Seriously.. If you was in any military branch, you'd freak over how much peter you saw... And guess what.. Your superiors will come right in while your showering and bitch at you and humiliate you..


fultonjw 5 years ago

I do not think the author has problems. Whether you, me or any of us like it or not, social norms have changed from the 50s and 60s. At that time, boys were forced into nude situations whether they liked it of not, and most of us became used to it. Boys are not forced into those situaitons any more (a good thing in my opinion), and have not been for many years. I do not think it is fear of nudity, or even comfort with it, but more just the acccepted more modest norms of this day. The guy who struts naked in the locker room today (not all locker rooms, but most) now looks like a flaming peacock who wants attention, as this is no longer the norm. The change may be slower in some places, like an older Y with long established members, but it is changing there as well. Even high school sports teams are much more modest today, and remember most boys do not even participate in formal sports teams (it has always been a minority) so most of the guys you see today in locker rooms do not have that same male bonding experience as it relates to nudity. It just isn't done.

On a related topic, look at urinal partitions. Forty years ago they were rare. Now for any new or remodeled facility, it is code enforceable by law...a reflection of increased male modesty....and perhaps other reasons as well.


User 5 years ago

I will second the one about not sitting naked on a locker room bench. In my gym I have seen men do this before they have bathed. It is not a pretty thought.


Alex 5 years ago

The author has reaaaal problems!!

Too bad to have so many restrictions and rules in life. Life's too short.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

To the sociologist... I think most men regard being nude in front of each other as such a big nothing. It gets to the point where it doesn't even register (a point I reached back in high school.) So it's really hard for me to understand why any guy would feel shy, nervous or otherwise hung-up about locker room nudity. And I don't care about the "old guys" staying naked. My thought on them is, some have trouble getting dressed because of sore joints, so they take their time. I have never detected gratuitous nudity among old men in the locker room... just casual nudity, which is no big deal. As for homosexuality -- I'm sure it's there. But there's a difference between a gay man with manners and a lecher. And most gay men I know are not lechers. Anyway, I feel bad for men who get wigged out over the locker room scene. If they only knew how little anybody is paying attention to their bodies. My advice... relax and enjoy the one place left on earth where men, gay and straight, don't have to make any apologies for being men.


The sociologist 5 years ago

Interesting article, but in my experience, from what your saying it sounds like you almost feel scared of nudity, which usually comes from someone who isn't secure about there sexuality. Seriously, yes it's rude to put your wang in someones face, but the locker room and sauna are places were you can be naked. Whilst I agree with the fact I wouldn't want someone doing starjumps naked whilst watching the cooking channel infront of me when I'm doing my shoes up, let someone sit on a bench naked and watch tv. Tv's are there in a changing room for a reason! :)


Mr. Comment 5 years ago

Any person who has provided an answer in ignorance does nothing more than prove their opinions to be irrelevant. In this day and age of men who have the purpose and intent to download to their mental hard drives the nude images of muscular and innocent men, means it is a thing to be taken into consideration. Granted, most men these days are dogs and they sleep with almost anything, so to care if a pervert sexualizes them through his fantasies is just a form of white-noise, but some do. The true gentleman will not be subjected to the old pagan pseudo orgy group shower mentality unless it's utterly necessary. Do you want the partitions taken away from urinals? Why would you need to witness another mans nakedness? What does this have to do with ones getting cleaned and dressed? This article is perfect, the writer is speaking about things that were and are unflattering, no one has the right to call him anything crude in even the slightest form. Old men with fat stomachs are always those creeps who take light years to get dressed. It is always those fat unattractive leches who saunter around nude desiring attention and to be noticed - nasty. If it is just you and another guy changing, you can always wait for him to put on his pants while you put on your underwear, even under your towel. Nudity in a locker room is a choice. To see it is your choice as well. If you secretly indulge in the fine workmanship of the male form, you will be the one finding extraordinary reasons to remain in a space designated for the dressing, and undressing of male strangers. Any man comfortable enough to run around nude has either been socialized to it, ie through sports, is naïve as to its meaning, or wants some attention of some kind.

Nude conversation is completely unnecessary.


Max 5 years ago

Don't we all learn how to be naked and fine with our peineses waving around in high school sports?


Maat 5 years ago

You sure seem pretty uptight man. A men's locker room is specifically where men go to be naked and get changed, otherwise they could just be mixed sex locker rooms. You seem a litle homophobic. If you don't like looking at naked men, then don't. You are just a bunch of guys, they have all the same equipment as you, you shouldn't be frightened or intimidated. You need to learn to be more comfortable with your body and also with other people. There is nothing strange or sexual about being naked, you are making that up on your own. You would think in North America, where 13 year old girls are raised to act and dress like their favourite slut like Paris Hilton, people would learn to be comfortable with their bodies. I guess it just makes people insecure.


Gayman 5 years ago

I am a gay man, and I agree with most of this article. Too much walking around nude in the locker room....usually by older fat guys who I have no desire to see nude. The younger, hot guys who I wouldn't mind seeing naked are always covered. And the WORST is when one of those older, fat, naked guys wants to chat. Come on.....at least put a towel on.


Kudos 5 years ago

Thanks Kea for the article. I'm gay and I don't appreciate anyone invading my space in public, especially in various states of undress. My time at the gym is for me. If I wanted to socialize, I can join a team sport and snap towels at my buddies in the lockeroom. Kudos to you for speaking up.


Johnny Sprokets 5 years ago

Me think the lady doth protest too much!


greg 5 years ago

haha, i agree with most of what you said. you gotta be a little modest.

yea dudes get naked and thats normal, but the prolonged nakedness, in front of mirrors, on the scale, blow drying pubes, not cool...its like "alright dude, we understand you have a large schlong, now get it out of my face!"

i, definetley being a grower, not a shower (borderline tiny when flaccid), agree with proper etiquette in the locker room. its like if i was a millionaire and i walked around with a suit made from benjamins.


Williams 5 years ago

I think he made a lot of good points. Do you want to blow dry your hair after a guy used that blow dryer on his pubes?


Sean 5 years ago

Like others, I too thought this article was supposed to be humour, but based on your responses to some of the comments, it is obvious that you were quite serious. It is also obvious that you have made up your mind that your 'rules' are right and everyone who disagrees is wrong, again, made evident by your responses.

If you do in fact feel this way, you may not be 'homophobic' as others have opined, but you definitely have serious insecurities. You can't say you are totally secure with your body and body image and/or sexuality if you truly feel this way about being around men who are undressed in a locker room - a room whose very purpose is for men to undress with other men.

As for saunas, they are installed inside male and female locker rooms, instead of being unisex in a shared space, for a reason. They, like other activities at the gym, serve a purpose, are part of a some people's workout routine, and are meant to be used naked for the optimum effect.

It is a well documented that males will check out other males genitals. It has nothing to do with sex or sexuality. It has to do with ego, mainly, seeing how they measure up to other males, being proud if they are bigger than some others. And the same goes with males looking at them. Most males expect a glance in a locker room situation and if that male has something to be proud of between his legs, the fact that men are looking, some likely with envy, gives a boost to their ego. Some may be uncomfortable with those glances, yes, but only those who are insecure with their body/sexuality would get so worked up over it.

While I, and I am sure the majority, agree about things like using a towel to sit on or not blatantly staring at a guy's crotch, all your other 'rules' are utterly ridiculous and scream insecure and give off homophobic vibes. Did you know that studies have shown that the majority of homophobic men who speak out about their dislike/disapproval of homosexuals and/or speak out about how they don't want to see another guy's junk or see another guy naked (like in a locker room or movie, etc) are actually bisexual or gay and in denial or lashing out because they don't want to be gay or bi?

And in your case, with this article and your responses to comments, you are the one who keeps bringing the whole gay thing into it. You seem to be making an issue out of gay and bi guys in the locker room walking around naked, drying their pubes, looking at guys junk, not just guys being naked in a locker room in general. You even stated that you thought it was funny how the only ones who didn't agree with your 'rules' and didn't mind being around naked guys in a locker room and/or being naked around those naked guys themselves, were all 'gay'. The funny thing is, not everyone said they were gay or bi, but you assume they are simply because they don't have an issue with locker room nudity. (Perhaps you should re-read the paragraph above this one again).

I don't have a problem with being naked or being around other naked men in a locker room setting, nor do I care if someone wants to take a glance an see what I'm packing compared to them... and by the way I am a straight male. I am also secure in my sexuality and with my body. Perhaps that is why I don't have these same issues, which you so obviously do.


ericjoey 5 years ago

These may be your backwards rules, but these are not etiquette standards. First of all, don't kid yourself if you think that guys don't take a peek. All guys do, even straight guys - don't kid yourself if you think they don't. The main reason guys use a blow dryer on their crotch is to prevent jock itch. You seem to have a very unnatural discomfort around other men. Perhaps some therapy is in store for you. I truly hope that people do not take your rules as real, because they are very backwards and inaccurate.


Phil 5 years ago

The problem with wrapping a towel around yourself as you walk to the shower is that towel gets covered in sweat which defeats the point of washing.

One thing that does annoy me is where people try to "reserve" a bench by laying their stuff across it before going for a shower. A changing room bench is not a hotel room - you don't book it for the weekend. It's a communal room and is there to be used by all gym members. When people try that crap I just push their stuff out of the way and sit down.


LMAO! 5 years ago

This article was funny as hell. I don't know how it was supposed to come across but it made me laugh.

I don't use gym showers though, I just shower at home.


Cambridge Uk 5 years ago

I play rugby here in the uk where comunial showers have been a way of life as long as I can remember. There are those that choose not to shower, those younger guys who keep their under shorts on and those that just go naked. Either way nobody cares and everyone just gets on with it. For most of us we use the shower like an extention of the bar and rib each other about missed plays or celebrate our wins together. We dont feel awkward or gay, its just guys being guys .


Cambridge Uk 5 years ago

I play rugby here in the uk where commuial showers have been a way of life as long as I can remember. There are those that choose notice to shower, those younger guys who keep their understand shorts on and those that just go naked. Either way nobody cares and everyone just gets on with it. For most of us were use the shower like and extention of the bar and rib each others about missed plays or celebrate our wins together. We don't feel awkward or gay, its just guys being guys .


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

Kprxtyus, it may not be illegal to get an erection in a locker room, but you will most certainly "stand out" and not in a good way. In all the years I've been using locker rooms I have seen exactly one guy with a hard on. My locker was a few down from his and I caught him by surprise when I rounded the corner. He looked mortified. I didn't think too much about it, but it's funny how I remember it after all these years. Kea, maybe you should add another rule so they'll think you're even crazier: no boners in the locker room!


greenbayguy 5 years ago

Your fucking nuts! I really don't care who sees my bare ass or wang in the locker room. I'm usually exhausted from my work out and just want a hot shower and clean clothes. Look your hearts out I have nothing to hide!


Kprxtyus 5 years ago

I go to the gym quite regularly, dress while I'm in the public part of the gym, but when I'm in the men's dressing room, off come the clothes, no towel, nothing. I go to the sauna/steam rooms naked and if I get an erection so what?

If people do not want to see, they do not have to look.

I will be the first to say that I do not have the greatest body but it is my body and I will do what I want as long as it is legal.


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kea 5 years ago Author

Kea may need therapy, but not related to this topic :) This topic, and the associated comments, are actually very entertaining and interesting!


fultonjw 5 years ago

Kea does not need therapy....while some of his phraseology may be "tongue in cheek" he is really just verbalizing what is happening in America today. When I comnpare nudity in the locker room today versus when I was much younger, it has changed towards modesty...maybe not everywhere at the same pace, but it is an unmistakeable trend, and attacking Kea will not change things. He does say some sensible things like sitting on a towel in the sauna, steamroom and locker bench, as well as not peeing in the shower (ugh!!), and these apply for all times, including earlier (even though I must admit I have violated each of these at some time or another). Currently,guys not only sit on the towel in the sauna and steamroom, but wrap it all around them, that is, if they are not wearing a swimsuit or shorts to begin with (and I hear some clubs even have signs stating no nudity in the steam/sauna--fortunately mine has no such notices). Yes, those of us opposed to these things may try to lead by example, but at my club if I sat in the steamroom naked sitting on a towel, I would look like a flamboyant and noticeable peacock, so generally go with the genre of the times and place and wrap up like everyone else. For those of you who go to less modest gyms (it sounds mostly like YMCAs) great.....but change is happening there too, and not in the direction many of you (and I) would like to see.


Roger Paul 5 years ago

Common consensus seems to be: The Author needs therapy! He has some serious body issues that need to be addressed. Maybe he is a closet homosexual.

I actually had some Germans asked me once why we Americans wore clothes in the sauna! I've been to several sauna parks in Germany and they sauna naked in mixed settings.

Really, it's time to get past the whole puritanical, body shame culture. It's so freeing to be naked!


freedom500 5 years ago

Okay lets see what everyone thinks of this one. Where I live execpt for the most newist ones, they all have open shower rooms, hot tubes sunas, and steam rooms all in the locker rooms. There is a few places that have a sitting area and a big screen tv all in the locker rooms, and my wife told me that the womens locker rooms also are all open. I would not go to a health club that didn't have locker rooms like that, because I enjoy being naked. I feell traped in my clothes, I have the misfortune of leaving in such a modest country and I hate it. Now I don't want to cause people to be uncomfterbale, so if there anr't many people in the locker room I just sit on my towel in the steam room and let it all hang out however, if someone else comes in I cover up so that they don't feel werrid. I do agree I don't sit naked on the benach I lay a towel, and I'd never piss in the showers, I also keep to my self in the locker room I know that this insane modest country would be offened. I know it's rare for someone my age, 29, to be so unmodest but I grew up with an insanely modest mother and I guess I started rebaling because I am probably one of the most unmodest person you could met and if that bothers you too bad


ksboy2008 5 years ago

I am by nature quiet and reserved, I tend to do my business and get out. However I am not anywhere near as parnoid as you are, I think you need councling or something. I can't stand people like you that have so many rules, I mean who cares!!!! I do have to say that I did agree with the idea of peeing in a public shower that would gross me out to know end and I would probably never use that shower again. However, beyond that if that wasn't a joke you got serious issues.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

I don't know that Kea needs a therapist. I think there are just some guys out there who are a little more squeamish about the locker room than others. I'm with you on it, though, years of using the locker room have conditioned me to not even notice the nudity. And I get the sense that the overwhelming number of guys feel that way, too. As for pursuing this publicly, well, this is kind of a funny topic. And look at the number of responses it generated! So I'm cool with that, as well as his viewpoint. I just don't subsacribe to it.


Bob 5 years ago

I think it's very odd that this guy keeps talking about how he doesn't like seeing naked men in any area of the locker room, yet, he says this is a place where he spends a lot of his time.

I usually don't notice whether guys around me are naked or not, I'm looking for a locker that is empty, clean, doesn't have a broken latch, and isn't next to anyone. Then, I'm trying to change without dropping anything on the floor, touching my feet to the floor (i step on the top of my own shoes) and making sure I didn't leave anything sticking out of the locker, or leave anything on the top shelf when i leave.

So if guys around me are nude, I really don't notice. I sometimes go to the showers or the sauna or steam, but I don't like dealing with wet stuff in my gym bag, so I usually just change and get on with things

I think it's odd that he mentions all these places, and is upset that he sees nude guys - these could be the only places in town he would see other guys nude - if it bothers him so much, why hang out there all the time? If groceries bothered me that much, I wouldn't spend my time walking around grocery stores complaining about all the groceries I saw, I would just buy what i need and get out.

I think he needs to see a therapist to understand why he subjects himself to the only places he finds things that offend him, or explore if he has any attractions or temptations that he has trouble dealing with

In any case, I think it would be in his best interests to pursue this privately, ratgher than on a public web site.


claudio 5 years ago

very suitable for an abbey!


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

My home Y was built just five years ago. And our Y is associated with two other Ys, also built within the last few years. Same set up at each, for the men: gang showers and a couple of cubes for privacy seekers -- I hardly ever see anybody using the latter, young or old. Also, one of the Ys I frequent while on the road just underwent a locker room renovation. I figured job one would be to get rid of the gang showers, since it seems to be sort of a trend, but they didn't. Just updated them. If there will ever be a last bastion of communal showering it will probably be hockey locker rooms. The ones I've used not only have one big shower room but multiple shower heads at each wash station. It's you and two other guys. No room for modesty there == no room for much of anything! Personally, I just don't see the point of shower cubes and in fact, at one of my "frequented" out of town Ys they are a hindrance. The renovation to the men's locker room tore out two large shower rooms, with about twenty heads, and replaced them with half a dozen cubes. The morning rush-hour scene now looks like this: a line of naked guys impatiently waiting for a shower to open up. I think efficiency has a lot to do with the "why" of gang showers. You can get in and out of there quickly, and when it comes to cleaning the area a hose and a bottle of bleach takes care of it in a jiffy.


fultonjw 5 years ago

When I was checking out different health clubs I did consider the Y (in Chicago). The one I visited was old and had an open shower room that had shower curtains hanging all over in an effort to make cubicles. It was rather ridiculous (they also had regular cubicles). I think the reason you still see so many open shower rooms at the Y is because most are old, and were built many years ago when open shower rooms were the rule rather than the exception. I do not know of any new Y--most recent one in my area (suburban) was built in the 60s. Would be interested to see what a new Y would do (if there are any)..but to compete with the private health clubs, my bet they would put in cubicles. I hear even high schools now put in cubicles, but most boys don't even shower anymore anyway (unless it is in swim suits). I do not know what your ages are, but my guess it is the older guys (like me!!)that use the open showers. My health club has cubicles, but of course the locker room has some nudity......but it is rare to see someone less than 50 drop their towel.

As for women's rooms, I guess it is a big country with many variations. But if you read some of the posts here, you will see some women say their rooms were open, so it was not that unusual. My friend who swims with me uses the park district open shower room (women's) and says she has no problem with it. The real difference between attitudes is how one was brought up...whether male or female. Some guys hate open rooms, and some women have no problems with it.


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kea 5 years ago Author

Hi fultonjw - I have the same experience about open showers becoming extinct.

I agree with Atlanta Jim though - the YMCA's I work out at all have open showers, whereas Gold's / Bally's have private showers. Also, I don't care who sees me naked...I'm grown used to it from being involved with athletics my entire life.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

Last month, I did a three-week business trip -- about a dozen cities in the U.S. I worked out at YMCAs in every one -- and every Y I visited featured a gang-shower set-up. It is true that shower cubicles are often an option now in men's locker rooms, but as I posted previously, it seems most men -- when given the choice -- use the communal shower area. Aty least that's been my experience. As for men's vs women's locker rooms... at my "home" Y, us guys have a communal shower, and the women have cubes. I know this because I was once looking for some room in the Y building and referred to an architectural diagram hanging in the gym. It clearly showed cubes in the ladies locker room. This did not surprise me. I have had to change in women's locker rooms before -- most recently at a high school for men's adult basketball. In that situation, I was amazed at the showering/changing contraptions they had set up. They were like these little rooms with lots of curtains. The intended occupants would probably have been shocked/disgusted to see, after our games, the naked, boisterous gang that had taken over their rather quaint space.

As a man, I've always considered myself, when it comes to privacy, one step up from a farm animal. I don't care who sees me naked and I'm not bothered being naked. I'm also not bothered by others' nudity. So it's hard for me to understand a guy wanting privacy in what is so clearly a public space. However, I don't think the urinal situation is the same as in the showers. I actually prefer using urinals with dividers because you hear about creepy things going on in public bathrooms. I have never had a creepy encounter in a communal shower. Thank God.


fultonjw 5 years ago

One added comment......some seem to think that women's shower rooms afford more privacy than do men's rooms. While I do not disagree this may be the case sometimes, it definitely was not universal in earlier times. At high school the boy's and girl's showers were exactly the same--open rooms, as was it at other schools in the conference (I used them on away games, etc.). Also the one open shower room I mentioned above (park district) the women's room is also open according to the woman I swim with.


fultonjw 5 years ago

In my experience, open male shower rooms are rapidly becoming extinct. No new facility has them, they are all cubicles, and I have belonged to different health clubs for over 40 years and none of them had open shower rooms. The only exception I have witnessed is the YMCA, and you don't evven see them there much anymore. The only one I know currently is a park district shower room connected with a pool, and it was built circa 1960. Also, one reason for the change is buidling codes--you can argue it was men who demanded more privacy, but I am sure many on this forum disagree. This is also the reason you now almost always see privacy walls between urinals for new or remodeled men's rooms.


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kea 5 years ago Author

Hey MartinM- thanks for the comment. I'm straight and have gay friends, so the basis of my article isn't about sexual orientation. It's simply about common sense, which, apparently, isn't that common (dying your pubes with a blow dryer?).

As for swimming, I swim regularly and shower before getting in the pool. I think this is simply a manner of people not knowing any better. I completely agree with you though and wish everyone would shower before getting in the pool, because the pools are overchlorinated and nasty. There's so much chlorine at the pools I swim in that I sneeze constantly for the rest of the day after swimming. Gyms should start enforcing showering before getting in the pool!


MartinM 5 years ago

I should also have commented that these sort of sad attitudes are responsible for the rarity with which people shower properly before going in swimming pools etc, resulting in increased health risks, objectionable levels of chlorine needing to be used and quite often being assaulted by others chemical perfumes and de-oderants that are washed into the water.

I'm all for seeing Icelandic levels of hygeine being enforced at pools and spas: http://blog.icelandexpress.com/iceland/2006/11/24/...


MartinM 5 years ago

Sure - locker/changing rooms are for changing, and showering - both of which involve getting naked, and most of us socialise whenever there is a reasonable opportunity, so we will in the process of showering or getting changed. Why should anyone be bothered about that. Your whole attitude and personal etiquette seems to be based on a fear of gays.

@ brimcandy - why would the rest of the world want to change their unabashed behaviour just to avoid potentially being mistaken for gays. We can deal with unwelcome approaches if and when they occur (i's never happened to me). Modifying our normal behaviour to avoid being mistaken for gays merely betrays a phobia. If someone thinks I am gay, that's their problem. I will soon put them right if I get an unwelcome approach. I don't intend to waste time and show lack of self-confidence by doing a 'towel dance' or hiding myself in the shower.


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kea 5 years ago Author

brimancandy - thanks for the positive comment and for sharing your experience. I appreciate it and I hope the others reading this hub read your comment too.


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brimancandy 5 years ago from Northern Michigan

I'm an openly gay man, and I totally see the point of this hub. I don't think it is meant to be homophobic, but a lot of his "Do Not" rules are what a lot of gay men do in locker rooms. Like sitting unusually close naked in hot tubs, staring in the shower, spending way too much time naked, and going in and out of the steam room or sauna like it had a revolving door. Guys that do that stuff are usually cruising, and you want to avoid doing this stuff so that you won't be seen as a locker room cruiser. Even if you are doing it innocently, and you are straight, other's might think you are "looking" and, that can get you into trouble. Like the guy in the video smacking the kid just for looking at him.

It's weird. I get cruised in straight locker rooms more than I do in a gay bath house. I once had 2 guys following me at one gym the same day. I got in the hot tub, and they both showed up up either side of me and tried to get in my shorts at the same time. I grabbed their hands and put them together, and did a Buggs Bunny impression....Sheriff...meet john....john...sheriff. Then I got out of the hot tub and went home.

So, yes. I get it.

But, I'm not saying all gay men do this. It's usually closeted straight men, and it's their only outlet for meeting other guys, or gay men who will try to hook up anywhere and everywhere that they can.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. I mainly post this response so that someone doesn't get mistaken for something they are not, and gets a bloody nose, or ejected from a gym.

This stuff does happen, if you believe it or not.

I just realized that I already commented on this subject.

But, not much of what I said earlier has changed. Another thing I find that I don't like in locker rooms is standing barefoot on the floor, or using the toilet, sometimes it can be pretty gross.


Gene 5 years ago

If it weren't for the bit in italics I would have thought the article was from The Onion. It's just the kind of over-the-top exaggeration they would aim for. Man, you're free to keep yourself covered up, and you're free to avert your eyes when you feel a need to, but you're not free to tell anyone else how to act, and you can't speak for other straight guys. Most guys--especially most straight guys--just don't care whether other guys are naked or not. Why do you even subject yourself to locker rooms, that are full of everything you don't want to see or touch? Poor guy, just stay home where you feel safe.


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kea 5 years ago Author

@Jett - yeah, that's it.

@Shirtless Stu - I thought locker rooms were for changing, not being naked...here's the definition of Locker Room:

"a room containing lockers, as in a gymnasium, factory, or school, for changing clothes and for the storage and safekeeping of personal belongings."

hmmm


zaK 5 years ago

most guys aren't this uptight. i don't give a shit about being naked or seeing other men naked. in the locker room, that's kind of to be expected. so what if some guy wants to air his junk out and watch some tv before putting clothes on?! i don't care who sees my dick, i'm proud of what i got.


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truebluewriter 5 years ago from Manila, Philippines

"Last thing a guy trying to get psyched up for his workout and putting on his shoes needs to see is another guy's schlong at eye level."

hahaha this is a funny post


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Jett 5 years ago

Everybody...damn...Kea has a little dick...is that not the obvious explanation ...


Andy 5 years ago

Funny article..i believe mens showers should be communal and not stalls.It is part of male bonding.If you don't like to look at guys naked then best not to use the changing rooms..period.I always strip off naked and it doesn't bother me and my mates are the same.If i wanted to shave naked then i would do that too..no big deal.


Martin 5 years ago

It's no big deal for guys to be naked in the locker room, and talk, walk around, pee. It's liberating, relaxing, and part of normal male bonding, without being gay. And if you're afraid of gays seeing you in the locker room, well, chances are very good that you have been in a locker room/shower with a gay man/boy many times. I know I have, and have never been offended by it, or accosted by a gay. Don't be so uptight.


Atlanta Jim 5 years ago

Pointless, you make a great point! I am a frequent business traveller and have a YMCA "Away" card -- a great perk of Y membership which lets you work out at any Y. Fitness is very important to me, so I make full use of the privilege. Anyway, I saw yesterday in Nashville a perfect example of the ludicrousness of private shower stalls in the men's locker room. They actually have both -- a communal shower room with about eight heads and then a line of private stalls. The former was packed with guys when I went in to clean up -- every position taken -- while the stalls were empty. Now this was in the morning, when a generally older crowd works out -- in other words, guys more used to showering together. But i think there are a couple more reasons why, given the choice, men gravitate towards showering communally. First, it's a social thing. The shower room, just like the locker room in general, is just another place to shoot the shit. And second, it almost seems kind of 'girly,' for lack of a better word, for a guy to need so much privacy. It's just not who we are -- or most of us, anyway.


pointless 6 years ago

In recent years new mens locker rooms tend to have dividers between the showers or mini cubicles with a curtain. These are so pointless. You have to strip naked at a locker. Most of the time you have to put the towel on a rack outside the shower area so you have to walk in naked. And the stalls/cubicles/dividers/curtains get disgustingly dirty over time. Give me a clean totally open shower room (like the one pictured here) any day over this pointless effort at modesty which just breeds filth. If you are able to get over stripping naked at your locker and leaving the towel on a hook before you walk into a curtained shower stall you can get over showering naked next to the same people who just saw you naked at the locker... Basically I agree with the advice here. Stip. Shower. Clothes on. Simple and utilitarian not prudish.


Joe M. 6 years ago

It would never occur to me to legislate how other guys should act in the locker room. How odd you seem incapable of thinking about anything else.


Norm 6 years ago

THAT'S RIGHT! Those guys should be punished for making me have those feelings.


Dan. L. 6 years ago

This is the most rediculously stupid arcticle I have ever read.

I leave you with some advice: Get over it.


Tom 6 years ago

Maybe he is muslim. They don't even show their wives their stuff. They do take showers in their trunks here in detroit.


6 years ago

OMG! You are ridiculous! Sheesh...grow a pair and be a man, or stay out of the locker room. Were you raised by a single mom?


adreni 6 years ago

The myth is that younger guys are not getting naked in locker rooms. That is ridiculous. There are a few more hyper sensitive dudes, but in the main locker rooms are now what they were -- a place where guys change clothes, shower and go about their business. Most guys instinctively stay naked for only short durations. As for the older guys who linger...they take longer to do everything... why should the locker room be any differnet!


Jason 6 years ago

For someone who hangs out in locker rooms long enough to write an "etiquette" for it, you sure have a basic problem with nudity. Not everyone is a prude.

Im a 20 something gay guy and I've sat and chatted with other guys (who were str8) totally nude and there wasn't weirdness at all.


steve 6 years ago

Wow lol. I'm straight but am not offended by male nudity. People just have different views and are raised different. Like I wouldn't mind being naked next to a guy in a shower or sauna or whatever because I'm comfortable with my body and know that I'm not gay because the thought and sight of male nudity and homosexuality are not turn ons for me, whereas I can merely kiss my fiancé and be aroused. Its all mental. If you wanna think you or someone else is gay cuz they're naked in a locker room then cool for you hahaha, and I personally laughed my butt off when I read this article


WastedMyTime 6 years ago

I am not going to beat a dead horse but most of these people are heterosexuals and they don`t mind nudity in the LOCKER ROOM! If you have a problem then do not enter one, simple as that! These "rules" are as useless as your opinion. You and I both know that nothing will change, and people will continue being naked in the locker room.


HaveSomeSense 6 years ago

THANKYOU!! Do people have to be told not to walk aorund NAKED?! Have at least a little shame..or self respect. Women and Men should NOT be naked in front of each other. That's the way it IS. and should be. It doesn't matter is someone is "comftorable" or not.


BigHairyFinn 6 years ago

Ha ha ha! Wearing cloting to a sauna? That is perverted. In Finland there is signs not to wear swim trunks to the sauna due to the chlorine.


Dell 6 years ago

The only consideration is safey of the kid. When my brother in law passed I took my sisters kids everywhere, and they loved the pool, esp my niece, and yes I brought her into the mens locker with me. We even asked her and she agreed its safer. Once with one of her gal pals along I suggested together they could go through the womans and they prefered to come with my nephew and me.

You have to be flexible. While I showered discreetly facing the wall she waited already in her suit to wave her on through the shower room into the pool area. This got a little simpler at the indoor pool, practically empty compared to the outdoor pools closed for the fall. So it's up to her if she showers and I'll hold a beach towel in front of her.

I will probably draw the line later this fall because although she is small for her age will be turning 8.


hankwheels 6 years ago

It's a locker room, there is going to be nudity. If it bothers you or makes you feel umcomfortable, don't enter! You are an extremely paranoid and insecure person and I suggest you do all of your work-outs and showering at home.


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

John, you are so right about the younger guys not showering thing. I play basketball with a semi-friend of mine at the Y -- a guy in his 20s. Time and again I've seen this. We finish up and hit the locker room -- usually drenched in sweat. I undress and head to the showers, he pulls out his gym bag from the locker and says, see you later. At first I figured he was in a hurry or something. But it happened over and over again and finally I got it: he is uncomfortable using the communal showers. Of course, I don't really "get" it. I grew up showering with others, so to me, it is second nature to do so and I don't think anything of it. But this is another area in which the schools are not doing their job to number one, practice good hygiene and number two to prepare boys for life on the outside. Because for men, communal showers at the gym are still pretty much the rule -- and locker room nudity is definitely the rule. I am a father and when my son is old enough he will be going to the Y with me and he will shower after exercising because I want him to be comfortable, literally, in his own skin. And it's what you're supposed to do if you are sweaty and stinky.


John 6 years ago

There are guys at my gym, generally the younger men, who will leave the gym sweaty and stinky and drive home that way. They don't want to be seen naked. That's ridiculous and just doesn't make any sense. I've also seen guys wrap a towel around themselves, take the three steps needed to get to the shower, get into the shower and then reach out from behind the shower curtain to hang up their towel. This all strikes me as false modesty. None of this was happening back when schools required kids to shower after gym class. People quickly got over being uncomfortable about their nudity pretty quickly. Now that kids are not required to shower after gym class, they not only return to class stinking, but they never do get comfortable in their own skin. People need to get over themselves. Nakedness and sexuality are not the same thing. The word gymnasium comes from the Greek term gymnos, meaning naked place.


andy (UK) 6 years ago

Fuckin hell - what a fuss. You have separate mens and womens changing rooms so you don't have to think about stripping off and getting naked. If a man's shy about being naked with other men he needs to get over it. You're meant be naked in saunas and hot tubs - that's the point. No don't piss in the showers but if you've ever played on a sports team you know it happens and it does all get washed away. As for standing naked in front of the mirror or hair dryer, why not? Having a shave or getting a full body dry, there's no issue.Chill buddy.


James Roberts 6 years ago

Kea, are you homophobic? I mean, if you're really this uptight about naked men, and "etiquette", you should only do your showering and stuff at home. I mean, 90% of your time in a locker room you're naked. In the sauna, men have the freedom to open their towel or not. And in the hot tub, most men stay naked. I, personally, do my hair before i dress. Please don't criticize men for using the locker room for its purposes.


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Well it can go too far both ways phx 49. Some people do get too uptight about it, but it seems like some guys go out of their way to stay naked longer than necessary. Maybe the human body isn't evil, but I don't want to be sick at my stomach the rest of the day, so is it too much to ask for guys to at least have a towel on when they're not taking a shower or changing? Maybe it's a pet-peave of mine. I get a little tired of reading all this profound wisdom about how Americans should be more comfortable with nudity and anyone who gets turned off by it has some deeply-seeded emotional problems. You're the ones who need attitude-adjusting.


Guest 27 6 years ago

The locker room needs to be as clean as possible under the circumstances. And is true that one thing is to get naked while changing, and another one is just by plain exhibitionism. Most men that linger around naked do feel a sexual thrill or rush by being nude and being looked at or even frowned upon. It's a legal form of "flashing" since the locker room is a place where nakedness is to be expected and there is not expectation of privacy to violate. Exhibitionists are either gay or straight, as many straight also get a thrill by being admired by other straight men.

However, I believe the author of this article suffers from internalized homophobia. He might feel attracted to other men so their nearby naked presence is a threat to his perceived heterosexuality.

A straight man would not be so fixated on other man's naked behaviors.


Norm 6 years ago

Man, have you got a problem. If guys can't feel natural being naked with each other, we might as well all become Mormons. That is one sad blog.


Bestntown 6 years ago

Weird. I'm curious about where the author lives. My guess is either Utah or Nebraska. Or any square state.


Kyle 6 years ago

So I happened to notice that a lot of support is going out on the basis that you need to obey these "rules" because of gays.

Bull. Crap.

No gay guy. NONE. Want's to sit around a god damn locker room and look at guys they can't do anything with. It's the same thing as you (straight guys) being put in the middle of a girl's locker room tied up and unable to do anything but watch. It would bother the hell out of you and make you want to leave as soon as possible. Simply because you can't do anything.

Locker rooms = Nudity. Deal with it. No one cares if you get up naked, probably because no one is going to look anywhere but your face.

I agree with the spitting and peeing in the shower. That's crossing a heavy line. But your entire woos rant about "taking the shower farther away". If the dude next to you is THAT uncomfortable with having a naked guy next to him, then either he's got some sexual issues that he needs to fix, or he needs to never set foot in another locker room again.

Gym Scales - Some people (myself being on of them) take our weight in the morning. Then after the gym workout we take our weight. Figure the difference. Then keep a record. It helps track how much weight you lose more accurately. Again if you don't want to look at naked men, don't go to locker rooms, don't stare anywhere but there face, and don't be a pansie.

This entire article is just you going on a homophobic rant and not only is it laughable, it makes me wonder if you yourself don't like this happening because you want it to happen. Either get comfortable with yourself, and the fact that no self-respecting guy would ever care whether not another guy see's his body or not. The only rule that ever exists in a locker room is no purposeful touching.

(And any guy who doesn't agree with this... You can cheat on women, have other guys purposefully touching you during sports, get into fights in front of everyone, and yell obscene things in public, but you can't handle other naked guys in a private setting because your a little insecure about yourself? Get over it.)


tymm 6 years ago

KEA, I agree with you 100%. A friend of mine feels it's his god-granted right to waltz around the locker room naked for as long as he likes since he is paying for a membership. He is massively overweight and down-right gross. I'm going to send him this link as a not so subtle hint.


John 6 years ago

I do look when a man has an 8" johnson hanging between his legs. I think I look out of Penis Envy....like I am in awe or something. When you have only 5 inches, an 8" looks very appealing and I can't take my eyes off of it.


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st lucia for sale 6 years ago from St Lucia

Wow, so many passionate comments.

EVERYONE I know has been weirded out at some point by the old naked guy bending over and picking up his socks whilst totally naked. Its not so hard to wear a towel.


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

Bill, I normally sport a towel when I shave. Just out of habit. But this week I found myself grappling with a towel that was a tad too small to loop around and tie. It kept falling off and so I finally said the hell with it and shaved naked. I found it amusing because there were four of us at the sinks, everybody bare-assed. Which, from behind, must have been a funny sight. Or a repulsive one, depending on your perspective. I lived in a college dorm once where 30 guys shared a communal bathroom. Most everybody shaved naked -- some guys even walked from their rooms to the bathroom naked (not me). I never thought it was a big deal, but then again, I came from junior high and high schools where showering after practice, games or even PE class was mandatory. I think there's a difference between shaving naked and getting naked to shave. The former has to do with expediency, the latter, exhibitionism. And you kinda know which it is when you see it.


Bill Clutterman 6 years ago

Kea, you forgot about shaving. Men at my gym absolutely love shaving completely nude.


tom 6 years ago

lighten up. You are parenoid


Chris 6 years ago

Well it can go too far both ways phx 49. Some people do get too uptight about it, but it seems like some guys go out of their way to stay naked longer than necessary. Maybe the human body isn't evil, but I don't want to be sick at my stomach the rest of the day, so is it too much to ask for guys to at least have a towel on when they're not taking a shower or changing? Maybe it's a pet-peave of mine. I get a little tired of reading all this profound wisdom about how Americans should be more comfortable with nudity and anyone who gets turned off by it has some deeply-seeded emotional problems. You're the ones who need attitude-adjusting.


phx 40 6 years ago

Kea ... wow; deal with your repression. Germ-spreading is gross; we get it. Nakedness isn't, when it's expected. It's over the top attitudes like yours that have created a younger generation that is homophobic to the core == to the point where I can barely wear a Speedo to swim laps -- even when it's appropriate, and I have the body to prove it. Perhaps someday people will realize that the human body is not evil ...


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

I agree with you, B. It feels more strange NOT to talk to guys you're showering with than to do so. If you are a gym regular you see the same crew, pretty much, every day. So what are you "supposed" to do? Ignore them just because they're naked? And yeah, the uptight guys... they make a spectacle of themselves by trying NOT to make a spectacle of themselves! As for gay and straight, I can recall only one guy, in all the years I've been going to the gym, who distinctly made me uncomfortable. And I think I mentioned in a previous post that he was old and harmless -- more a nuisance than anything else. I just don't think hook-ups in men's locker rooms happen that much. The environment is often frenetic, with everybody trying to shower, get dressed and get to work.


6 years ago

Wow. You really need to build a bridge about the blow-drying pubes guy. It happened, it was gross and awkward, but you need to move on. And not use it as your sole argument for your anti-naked feelings.

I find most of the uptight guys get laughed at when in a locker room by all the guys who aren't trying to speed through. Most guys give the speedy guy a "what's your problem look", or even a "I feel sorry for you" look. You can totally tell when a guys is in a hurry for a legitimate reason, or if he is being frantic cause he is just uncomfortable.

I have had many a conversation with guys in the locker room from post work out, to in the shower, to getting dressed. Nothing awkward about it, so long as you are on a socially mutual level. I don't think anyone should pursue a convo with someone who is obviously uncomfortable talking, but there will always be those oblivious guys who won't know you don't like being social in a locker room.

Now, personally, I don't care if you wanna do cartwheels naked in the showers; so long as you aren't impeding my routine and I'm not in a hurry, have at it. Sometimes I wanna get in and get out. other times, I may take my time to unwind. There is nothing wrong with that, and you trying to say there is makes you sound like an ass. Apparently more so than you think, if all these comments are blasting you and your conservativeness.

Now in regards to the whole gay thing, that's a personal matter for everyone. I have been in both predominantly gay and straight locker rooms. Each have their pro's and con's; in the end, there aren't very many differences. You should really work on your security. As much as you would like to think, not everyone who may look your way is interested in you, or what you've got.

I'm curious, do you use the stalls to pee when there are no urinal dividers?


guest 6 years ago

thanks "atlanta jim" for your comments.

i find this topic very interesting. after seeing so much diversity in locker room behavior over the years, i have found myself reading several forums concerning the topic, especially when i get bored at work... lol!

yeah, i tend not to worry about the reactions of others in the locker room. i've been a member at my current gym for 7 years now and i usually see the same guys there so you kinda know their locker room habits, which makes it less awkward when it's time to shed the clothes.


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

I really like your post, guest. You hit a lot of good points. And congratulations on getting over your fear of using the communal showers. I have often thought, when observing behavior in the locker room suggestive of "fear of getting naked in front of others" what I would have been like had I not attended high school at the time I did -- a time when after-gym showers were compulsory and nobody thought anything of it. (Can't believe they are now optional. Talk about hygiene.) And no, I don't think you are pissing too many guys off, if any, by walking naked from the showers. As you seem to have learned, men are fairly oblivious to each others' nudity. Oh yeah, there will always be that guy who sticks out for whatever bodily reason, and you can't help but notice -- good physique, super hairy, well-endowed, not well-endowed. And there will always be the one oddball who is naked for an unreasonable amount of time to the point where it starts to feel weird. But I have found that the vast majority of guys behave appropriately in the locker room. BTW, I have seen a guy peeing in the showers... gross. I might do it at home -- and I do, but not in a public place. And shaving your pubes in the showers... yeah, guys should leave the intimate grooming for the home tub. Who wants to see that?


guest 6 years ago

i remember the time when i feared public nudity. i wasn't the type to put on my shorts under my towel... i was never that skilled nor would the gym towels ever be big enough to tie around my waist. i settled for the fraction of a second that my bum was exposed but it was usually covered by my shirt. i did this for years.

i finally progressed to taking showers at the gym even though that didn't really change anything... they were private showers that even came with its own changing bench so i never had to leave the stall naked. eventually, i switched gyms and they only had communal showers. after a year or so of having to leave sweaty or devote more time to travel home to shower and change... i decided to face my fear and drop the towel. nowadays, i don't know why i was so worried about the idea of public nudity. people are right when they say you get used to it after a few times. i also found it liberating to be publicly nude although that can be hard to explain. now i have to say i'm not one who walks around naked for the hell of it... it usually has a purpose and i respect the personal space of others when changing or showering, as i usually like the same in return. if i ever shave at the gym or weigh myself, i usually slip on my boxers. in fact, i don't like to be naked in the changing area. I typically avoid being naked when there are clothed people around me… I don’t want to be that oddball naked guy! i usually save the full nudity for when i am in the wet-zone areas (shower, sauna, steam, and drying benches) where nudity is common.

i'm not afraid to admit that i've checked some guys out... not in a sexual way nor do i make it blatantly obvious (quick glances) but i agree with most comments that this is normal male behavior and for anyone to deny that they do this is probably lying. i'm not gay or bi (nor homophobic) but i like to compare myself with other men at times... sometime i'm envious of their physiques as i still carry some body image issues.

now i've seen some things in the locker room that i feel are inappropriate. to name one... i've seen some guys shave their pubic hair in the shower, which is gross and should be done in their own bathrooms. luckily, i've never seen anyone pee in the shower but that would require a lot of observation. i've also noticed a few guys who hang out in the locker room for hours. i've come into the gym, changed, worked out, showered, and still see the same guy using the locker room when i leave.

getting back to the article, i feel that it is a bit extreme. the author basically wants you to remain covered the whole time you are in the locker room. i really hope there are no guys like that at my gym, if so, i hope they avoid the locker room. i hate to think i am pissing some guy off because i walk from the shower to the drying bench naked.


torquay 6 years ago

To "OH PLEASE": agree with you totally.As gay guy I am discreet, i don't want to get into a problem with somebody much less with a 16 or 17 year old guy who you might think is 18 or more. I am normally naked, wash and soap naked in communal showers, change clothes naked and follow common sense etiquette. We gays normally get to recognize when another guy is gay, and there are cautious ways to finf out.The US has become the country of SHAME as someone rightly said in a post here. In Europe and Latin America we are normally naked in showers and lockers; somt teenagers get boners sometimes, we all know that.And most certainly have the same proportion of gays as in the US and nothing happens; we are discreet.Stop the prudishness and puritanism


OH PLEASE 6 years ago

I'm 17, from canada, gay, and honestly i don't care at all if there's a naked guy in the locker room, or 50 for that matter. It's a locker room, where people go to get naked and change and work out and shower...do you wrap a towel around yourself when you change at home? Or when you shower, do you keep your head down, looking at the tiles the whole time? NO...Look, as a gay man, I can honestly tell you that i've seen more stuff go down between "straight" people at the locker rooms than gay guys. We really couldn't care less what the old mans penis looks like...he's 65, i'm 17...i don't give a f***. And when i go in the sauna it is too bloody hot for cover of any kind...i will NOT be wearing my towel. That being said, I definitely sit on my towel when i need to sit and i do not pee in the shower, because germs are tricky little things and i don't know who or what touched things before me. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW :D


Chris 6 years ago

Well I guess I must be homophobic too because I tend to agree with you on most of these guidelines. I don't think they're unreasonable at all. Gimme a break, it isn't fair to call it being uptight or homophobic - it's just common courtesy. I wish more people would abide by these simple rules -it's just as easy as not. Of course whenever you post a topic like this you're bound to get a bunch of self-righteous responses like the ones you got.

However I must confess - I do weigh myself in the locker room because I don't have an accurate scale at home, but I do leave my shorts on (it could only add maybe a pound or so).


tim 6 years ago

I like to be naked in showers and lockers.I like to look at other gys penises,but my glances are discreet.I am gayand I like to look and to be looked upon.I don't cruise.But a few years ago, an African American guy was showering nude, I glanced at his penis:he rturned he stares, At the lockers we had a brief conversation.He invited me to his small appartment on campus;it was a cold wintry night.I went to his place, we had sex,I was the passive one;I am glad to tellyou I came out that night.If he sees this post he might remember.I never saw him again.All started at a communal shower with many nude guys around and nobody noticed anything. Discretion is a basic rule, because most naked guys are not associating nudity with sex. If there was no discretion, nudity or/ and showers would be banned-


Gonzo 6 years ago

I think people or government ie health dept are going overboard on this. Your naked body is natural. Be yourself and take care of your business. As far as other people looking or checking you out that's their hangups. I have no problem walking around naked at my health club.


paul 6 years ago

So, are female locker rooms awesome like the fantasy in my head, or is it all like middle-aged fat chicks?


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Stevus Maximus 6 years ago

Your advice is ridiculous. I play sports, rugby, football, I swam and even footy (soccer). None of us real guys feel that way. And some of the comments... bullshit lies. First off, I've traveled all over the continent and the UK. Americans aren't the ones who love (famously known for, the liar who posted said) walking around naked. Americans are too paranoid (read this article) about all that. I am A Proud American, but I had so much fun in other countries where they are not so worried about "LOOKING" gay by just being a dude. This creep could not last a minute on a rugby team. And any UK/Irish boys who want to weigh in, c'mon. You know I'm telling the truth. I am so sick of scared-ass pussies spreading fear, always in an attempt to limit guys just being guys. F OFF.


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Stevus Maximus 6 years ago

I could comment at length, but I'll sum it up and get to the point. You sound really hung up, paranoid and weird. Most would agree with a lot you say, yet your disturbingly incessant need to obsess about so many weird details leads me to believe that when you set foot in a locker room you become some weird little school girl, freaking over every glance, body position, movement, and most of all guys. Dude, it's a locker room. If you're too insecure to be there, don't go.


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I recently Went to Wild waterworks and Had to change, but-naked infront of strangers. im 12 years old, im still a bit worried, but i do believe i'll get over it. please; just stop worrying so much. your obviously going to take a peek accidently at someone elses Penis. So, what do you have to say about that? quit writing artiles and making your own ''rules'' that you THINK someones going to follow? I have something for everything. its a rule too... ... ''DO whatever the hell you feel like'' and thats it :-I


Randy 6 years ago

I agree with the part about walking around naked. What's the point. Put some clothes on for God's sake.


rick 6 years ago

I like to be naked in lockers and showers.I don't care if other guys look at my genitals,as they frequently do, and I also look atother nude guys.I am not gay. I think it a question of male bonding.But I have the problem of being uncut.When I shower daily at home I retract foreskin to wash and soap it as well as glans.I don't do that in communal showers because it is very unconfortable to have guys gaze at my privates as if they were weird and dirty.Almost everyone in the US is circumcised: they forget they were born as"abnormals",e.g.,uncut. I will welcome some comments on these topics-


rick 6 years ago

I like to be naked in showers and lockers, I don't care if other guys look at my parts, as they do, and I also look at other nude guys also.I am not gay:I think is is a question of male bonding, like "men only" clubs in Britain.But I have


Cam 6 years ago

Thanks for your response yeah it was traumatizing for awhile and I haven't been back since but I think im gonna start going back and get over it you know? I wanna leave it behind me and replace that bad memory with good ones cause working out and living healthy is a great thing and Im not gonna let some pathetic ass ruin it for me or give him that satisfaction.


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

Cam, I don't blame you for being traumatized. And you definitely did the right thing. I HATE creepy guys who make the locker room experience, well, creepy. I have found they are few and far between, but let's face it, it only takes one bad apple to stink up the bushel. Fortunately, I have never been openly "cruised" in a locker room, but there is one guy who I am really tempted to knock on his ass. I play basketball on weekends at a gym where I don't usually go during the week. I'm shaving after a shower -- towel around my waist -- and this guy comes up in back of me naked and just stands there -- so that I am forced to look at him in the mirror. I averted my eyes best I could and ignored him. This followed two attempts on his part (in previous weeks) to engage in conversation while standing there in his Speedo. I didn't bite on those, either, because I just got a feeling. And every time he walks past my locker area where I am getting dressed/undressed he makes it a point to look -- and look hard (no pun intended!)I got nothing against gay men or men in Speedos, and glancing at a guy's naked body in a locker room, well it happens all the time. But I do have something against sexual harassment, and that's what it is. In your case and mine. I have been tempted to call this guy out on it. But he's old and (to me) harmless and more of a nuisance than anything else. (Actually, he's kind of pathetic.) But in your case, given the blatant offense, you did absolutely the right thing. As for pedophiles seeking out gym memberships... I would guess that might be true. It is said they go where the kids are, whether that be into the priesthood or counseling at a camp. However, at many of the Ys I go to there are separate locker rooms for boys and men, and if you are under 18, to go in the latter, you have to be with your Dad or another male guardian. Hopefully this experience will not scar you for life. I've been using locker rooms for thirty years and I have always found them to be, over all, relaxed, friendly places. In fact, they are one of the few places where men can strike up a friendship that isn't based on work. Would hate for this loser to have spoiled that for you.


Cam 6 years ago

Im 16 and a few months ago I was in the sauna alone naked and an old man (who I talked to before and he seemed friendly weeks prior) told me I looked good for 16 and then asked if he could 'touch me' as he signald his hand to my penis. It was very traumatizing and we got him banned from the gym and filed a police report against him. Maybe after that experience I am just a little weery of going in public places naked because I noticed SEVERAL old men would literally sit there and watch me shower and go in the suana naked. Some pedophiles get memperships soley for that reason. He was married with kids so he was a gay pedophile pretending to be straight for his wife. What do you guys think about my experience? What would you guys have done? And don't you think that some pedophiles get gym memperships for that reason only?


chris 6 years ago

when showering nude in communal showers and I have other naked guys showering near me, it is impossible not to look ar their "privates". Most guys do because it is as natural as any other part of your body.Teenagers showering often have erections, So what. It happens every once in a while, it is normal at their age;no big deal. The main reason for nudity is washing and soaping "privates" to prevent infections, for hygiene|so much etiquette, much less cleanliness and hygiene.


josh 6 years ago

daves last post should make make MIke to review the ideas about all Amerca male circumcision; since he might now realize that there are many Americans living abroad in countries where circumcision exists only for medical reason which are the excption.If they shower after gym or swimming they will see only uncut penises


dave 6 years ago

to tom and to atlanta jim: two years ago I happened to be showering after sauna in a Latin Amrican hotel, on a buseness trip.Many guys were showering like me, and they were uncut as Latin American usually are. There were three American showering too,they cut as it normally is.A friend of mine asked me after the shower:why are those gringos mutiliated, are they eunuchs? I explained to him what they have seen and they certainly no eunuchs, and as potent as any Latin American would be---


mike 6 years ago

all this fuss made by two uncut people is exaggerated.Most us Americans are cut and we are peroud of it and our gfs love us that way; and even more , in my case my cut penis does put her on:entremely sexy.Circumcision is the rule in America, and just comply.I don't care about looking at cut or uncut pricks;I don't care about that "washing uncut prick exhibition.


large beach towels 6 years ago

"If there are a number of open shower heads, do not take the one right next to someone else." that is so obvioius but people just don't do it!


tom 6 years ago

why is nudity in lockers and showers a big issue in the US? why so much prudishness? Swimming nude in YMCA,college and university pools was the rule in the US some years ago, so was showering and soaping nude for hygiene.I don't undrstand the peroblem. If this non nudity campaign called"locker room etiquette" continues: ina few years you will be showering dressed with male burkhas, while europe and latin america follow thw reverse trend.


tom 6 years ago

to atlanta jim forget youy cut cousins opinion on smegma and chese: their opinion will nevr change, because they like to minimize you through shame on you, or because...because: they are foreskin envious: they know they will never have a foreskin even if they want to, and will always wander what extra pleasure you are having during sex that will never have,aLTHOUGH THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT SUCH A PROBLEM. Keep on your hygienic foresfin retracting habits in public showers: it is an education both for uncut and cut men!!!


tom 6 years ago

to atlanta jim: I totally afree with your post. While outright exhibitionism would be gross,nudity is something natural,and I am quite confortable being nude in the showers and lockers. And nudity in those places aswell as when taking a shower at home is needed in order to be clean, prevent disease and contagion.Please do not forget what you and I said about circumcision, being uncut is not dirty and moreover it is pleasurable..


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

I just returned home from a week on the road, during which time my work-outs did not suffer as I am a YMCA member and therefore can use any Y, anywhere. It's a great deal! Anyway, I have noticed a trend when it comes to the showers at some Ys -- a ridiculous one, I think: that would be partitions and curtains where communal showers once stood. I believe this is to expand membership by appealing to the more modest among us. But the thing is, you still have to get publicly naked before the shower and you still have to dry off publicly after. And a good number of guys don't even bother pulling the curtains. So what's the point? I have taken so many communal showers over the years -- ever since junior high -- that I feel postively trapped in these tiled cubes. Plus, they impose some kind of unspoken rule about nudity -- one that as a guy I am not inclined to follow -- at least not to the comical extent I sometimes see in the locker room: for example, guys pulling undershorts on while wrapped in a towel. I have come to the conclusion that some guys -- probably many guys -- just enjoy being naked, which would help explain the annoying guy who just won't get dressed. I'm with Mark on the nudity thing. It just doesn't phase me to be around a bunch of naked guys, whether they be shaving, showering or sweating in the steam room. In fact, I'm much more bothered by excessive modesty than nudity.


tom 6 years ago

to atlanta jim: what you and I have said about being uncut and showering, and the obvious prejudice about"cheese" makes me thing further debete about uncut penises must tske place in these posts."Cheese"OBVIOUSLY EXISTS,but with daily home shower and locker room shower it will not simply exist.For exaMPLE: WHY ARE EUROPEAN males uncut: does that mean they are "cheesy" and rpulsive to women?


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gidtset 6 years ago

Haha.. What a funny post.:-)Never thought about this before.


Juan 6 years ago

SAD but true. i lived it myself in a gym locker room in NY. i still cant understand why americans are so uncomfortable with their bodies, to the point of feeling threatened. crazy people


Mark 6 years ago

This guy makes some OK points - don't pee in the shower, don't blow dry hair not on your head. But he seems way hung up about naked guys. In a locker room, I will walk around naked if I want to. Not gratuitously, not just for the sale of it. But if I return from the shower, and want to shave in the lavatory area, I'm not gonna put on clothes just because someone might have an odd hangup about another naked guy. And also, older fat guys have as much right to walk around naked as fit, hot young guys. We're there to work out and then shower up, it's not a social venue. Probably there are some gyms/locker rooms that ARE social venues, and fatsos may wish to avoid those, for the sake of their own egos. But for your run of the mill gym, I'm not going to get dressed, or wrap up in a towel, just to go to and from my locker to the shower, or the shower to the lavatory, or in a steam room. Especially in a steam room, you're there to sweat, not to be bundled up in terry cloth.


Tyler 6 years ago

This is pretty humorous. Now that you mention it I have noticed some of what you mentioned. It is strange that some guys just stroll around the locker room naked very slowly and directionless, but to be honest I don't usually pay much mind. A naked guy doesn't bother me as I'm comfortable with me and my sexuality etc. etc. It's like anyone's going down on another guy, at least to my knowledge, and then I'd just pack my stuff up and leave or say, 'get a room'. When I go in the locker room, it's for a reason, I do what I need to do and I leave. However, I do agree with the have manners and etiquette part to an extent. Just be respectful even if you're naked. Has nothing to do with straight or gay or whatever.


Tyler 6 years ago

This is pretty humorous. Now that you mention it I have noticed some of what you mentioned. It is strange that some guys just stroll around the locker room naked very slowly and directionless, but to be honest I don't usually pay much mind. A naked guy doesn't bother me as I'm comfortable with me and my sexuality etc. etc. It's like anyone's going down on another guy, at least to my knowledge, and then I'd just pack my stuff up and leave or say, 'get a room'. When I go in the locker room, it's for a reason, I do what I need to do and I leave. However, I do agree with the have manners and etiquette part to an extent. Just be respectful even if you're naked. Has nothing to do with straight or gay or whatever.


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

Tom, guys are going to think I have cheese no matter what I do. I have two cousins. Both circumcised. We have played sports together in the past and showered afterwards and even THEY bust my ass about my foreskin -- even though I've given them a complete tutorial on the subject of smegma -- and how little of it there usually is. I basically just try not to draw more attention to my hood than it might already be getting -- though truthfully, I don't think it's getting much. In my experience, guys in locker rooms seem pretty oblivious of each other -- nude or dressed.


Tim 6 years ago

Why are Americans so uptight about nudity? It’s just practical to be nude sometimes, getting change in the changing room for example. We don’t have problem looking at animals nude, why should we have a problem looking at another human being, regardless of gender? What’s the big deal with genitals, we all have them. What about elbows or knees? Why don’t you have a problem looking at someone’s knees?

Nudity and sex are two different things. No one is asking you to have sex with another man if that is not your cup of tea, in a non-sexual environment, genitals are simply another body part.

If you are so against seeing genital parts, I think you should cut your tallywacker off, so it won’t offend other Americans and yourself.


Paul 6 years ago

haha,I am straight, and was also relatively unaware of supposed cruising going on(I've never really even encountered this) and while some of your points are realtively reasonable--I don't really need to be attacked by 90 eye-level schlongs or stared at like I'm on display, don't be a slob, don't spend forever in there for no real reason, and the blow dryer to the pubes things did always strike me as comically unnecessary--in general you kind of come off like a repressed, insecure, super-uptight little American.

You're made that uncomfortable by nudity? Really? I think you also have confused the definition of heterosexuality. It doesn't mean fear or disgust of the same sex, it means sexual attraction TO the opposite sex. The whole point of being straight is that it doesn't matter around other guys. You're neither aroused nor repulsed, it's just neutral. That's sort of the entire premise of why they gender-segregate locker rooms.

Should probably look into becoming less uptight about these things. Or don't. Whatever works or you, but don't expect most of the population to share your emotions.


tom 6 years ago

atlanta jim: to be uncut is the normal thing: we were all born uncut. Since majority trend in US is circumcision, I wash and soap my uncur penis etracting my foreskin for hygiene, and because other people thing it is "cheese", smegma, etc, By washing well your unmvut penis as you would do it at home you show the cheese stuff is not always true; if yoy do not retract your foreskin,cut guys will invariable think you have cheese and smegma. Be sensible..


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

Tom, you are braver than I am with regard to penile hygiene in the communal showers. If there's another uncut guy in the showers then I retract and rinse. If there isn't, and 99% of the time that's the case, I leave that part of my hygiene routine for home. I'm not ashamed or embarassed about my foreskin -- in fact, I'm glad to have one -- but I know from years of playing sports and using locker rooms that many circumcised guys are kinda freaked out by the old elephant trunk, especially with regard to smegma, which they seem to think accumulates in abundance. You are doing the right thing, of course, but after years of putting up with "cheese factory" jokes I'm just a little shy about publicly cleaning out the cheese.


Cherolont 6 years ago

hey guys.. i know that you are right but maybe what he want to say is "being polite" with other people, because you don't know how do they feel when someone is staring at them or maybe they don't want at all to participate on "towel fights" and "package comparison". He also spent some of his time in order to write such an article and we have to identify his work. And yeah! it is true, we Europeans are more free with the nudity that Americans do, but hey! Freedom of choice man! It's not nice when we're talking about homosexual rights and other sensitive moral stuff while we're leaving out these simple opinions... Everyone consider right what it feels right. Come on guys! Freedom of speech! we are in the Freaken 21st century.

Although i don't agree with the most tips of yours, i identify the time you dedicated to make this article. Good job;)


Rick Johnson 6 years ago

How can you be so uptight & mentally screwed-up about nudity? Were you molested as a child? Were you abused by your Mother?

I don't want to write a book here, but if you do your research about human sexuality, the more you try to make everything "un-perverted", the more perverts you will raise. Look at the the most sexual casual countries in the world (i.e. Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, France, etc.), where nudity & sexuality is casual and not a bad thing, public sexual deviants are almost non-existent.

If I felt that way about a Locker Room, it's the last place that I would want to go.


tom 6 years ago

I have the same ´roblem as Jim has.Sice my penis is uncut, other guys look at it as something weird. But Ihave learned to ignore the matter. I alwayas shower and soap naked, for hygiene,and so I retract my foreskin in order to wash and soap glans and foreskin as it should be. This is rapidly done but ther are frequently guys who look all this being done as somethibg really strange. Like if I was an alien coming from another planet. No wonder those guys when in the future have children, their sons will be circumcized, thinking it is abnormal not to be so. They don't know the foreskin has thousands of nerve endings that eill be obliterated, and which give inmense pleasure when having sex


Atlanta Jim 6 years ago

Andy, I am uncircumcised and on any given day in the locker room at my Y (or ANY Y, for that matter) that puts me in the tiniest of minorities. If a guy glances at my penis I don't get all wigged out about it, because a glance is a not a gawk. As you know, our equipment looks a whole lot different than theirs, so I think it's only natural it would attract a certain degree of attention -- especially given that many American men have never seen an uncircumcised dick. Personally, I would never let my foreskin get in the way of using the locker room or showers -- and never have -- even in high school when I took some ribbing over my "difference." You might try going to the gym in the middle of the day when much older guys are using the locker room. You won't feel so out of place with a foreskin. The original article had some good points regarding common courtesy in the locker room. Gross, excessive nudity -- when somebody just won't get dressed -- is annoying. But guys shaving nude or weighing themselves nude -- that doesn't bother me. My personal peeve is when tons of lockers are open and a guy just has to take the one right next to mine. Drives me nuts. First thing I always do is scan for locks, then I situate myself as far away from them as possible. Makes changing a whole lot easier. But I have to say, after reading the many posts, that I am glad I grew up in the era where you HAD to shower after gym class. Because in nearly every men's locker room I've been in since communal showers are the deal. So to me, they are NO big deal. And by and large, I haven't detected too much body insecurity in those locker rooms -- nor much tension, either. And that's the way it should be.


Workin' out guy 6 years ago

All good tips, but you seem to have issues with the wonderful human body. Don't be ashamed. Show off those bits!!!


Will 6 years ago

I just came to terms with being "Bisexual," well for the most part... I agree with both points of view. Though, overall, it doesn't matter. People are still going to do what they want to do in the locker room anyway, whether others like it or not. I do agree that if guys are comfortable with their sexuality, then it shouldn't matter what you see in the locker room. If you're straight, and comfortable with your sexuality, then it shouldn't matter whether you're seeing naked guys in the locker room. You're not attracted to them anyway. So there shouldn't be a problem. But, I also agree that the locker room is a place where you do what you HAVE to do and get out. Plus, there's got to be a limit on what can be done in there. Some of this stuff is just awkward. Blow drying pubes?! In public?! I mean, come on! That's gross! And, from my perspective, indecent. Personally, I'm alright with the "freedomness" of being in the locker room naked and stuff, but that kind of thing just isn't for me. I'd rather go home and handle my business.

Overall, I just think there should be a limit onto some of the stuff that goes on in the locker room without getting rid of a lot of the freedoms that being in there allows. And I think this article is a good basis for that. It may be a little extreme, but it's a start.


andy 6 years ago

the USA was maybe the first country in the world to come to terms with male nudity.Nude wmimming and showering was mandatory in YMCA since the late XIX century. Then many colleges and universities foolowed the trend. Now you sail in the opposite direction. I don't care to be nude in showers and lockers, sometimes there are guys who take a special look at my penis, because it is uncut,and they look at it as something awkward.When are males in the US going to come to terms and tolerate non circumcision. Why don't you open a discussion on the topic? or is it taboo? Gladly my girl friend loves my penis as it is and prefers largely to cut ones she has experienced befroere.


zac 6 years ago

i dunno, sounds a little uptight. i'm not gay or "cruising" but i also don't feel ashamed or modest when in the locker room. nudity is something americans need to come to terms with. i like to be naked in the steam room/sauna or in the hot tub. this is why it's a men's locker room and not a co-ed hot tub. i don't care who sees my penis, nor do i feel like a puritan if i see someone else's. maybe its cause i was raised by hippies, or maybe i'm just proud of my endowment (haha)


papinol 6 years ago

I am not a gym rat but I have been going to the public swimming pools during the summer for a swim. Usually my Pop, grandpa and I (blackmen)go; sometimes with a buddy of theirs. They are all older heavy, chubby/ fat men. I noticed for years, something that makes me uncomfortable. White men will pass us outside and not speak but as soon as we head for the showers or to chnge our clothes they appear and want to talk to us when we are naked. Invariably they start gawking at our genitalia and will sometimes positoon themselves at the nirror so that they can look at us naked. They sometime linger in the shower for an extra long time to see us in the shower naked. Now, not all black men have large penis, but most do( could it be there is a freakish fixation here). We happen to be very blessed in that area, it runs in the family from generations way back, so it is second nature to us, no big thing (no pun intended).My Granpa, and Pop especially attract alot more attention maybe because they are wide loads, thick, heavy, stocky/ fat men, with low hanging balls. I feel the need to protect them, so I purchased extra large beach towels to cover their bodies to and from the showers but this is not a deterrent for these white men who not only gawk in the shower but try to invade the space we use to change, sometimes walking aimlessly around us in an attempt to get a peek. My Granpa is very outspoken like myself, so he will ask them to give us a chance to change our clothes in peace. Now there are black men who look, but gawking seems to be the exclusive domian of white men. It has gotten so commplace that even at the YMCA on the black side of town there are these white guys who are patrons, apparently to sightsee/ catch an eye full. Please white folks if you cannot give us the dignity of speaking to us outside, do not suddenly become sociable when we are naked in the shower.


peter 6 years ago

i can understand his feelings but relax!sometimes i think about itv and masturbate!thanks!


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kea 6 years ago Author

@jd - I agree people should "lighten up", but people should also display a little common sense - I mean, blow drying your pubes?


jd 6 years ago

saunas and steam rooms were originally always used naked. I agree with the no peeing in the shower and the not sitting naked directly on the benches but everything else seems a little excessive. All of this worry about nudity has only come about in the last few decades really. People need to lighten up!


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kea 6 years ago Author

@Kyle - nothing happened to me. No dramatic experiences or anything. It's interesting that the only people that don't care about locker room etiquette are gay, like you. Us straight guys don't want to see all the stuff you do. We're just there to work out and clean up, not "compare" or have towel fights.


Kyle 6 years ago

What happened to you? Did you have a tramatic experience early on in your male bonding life? My initial locker room experiences back in high school were quite normal and typical (showering naked together, running after each other, towel fights, comparing our "equipment"). We all had fun. Maybe I had more fun, or less fun because I was scared, as high school was the time when I discovered that I was gay. I didn't advertise it, but guys are guys so there was plenty of nudity for me to enjoy. The only "rules" we had to follow were to make sure that all wet towels got turned in and that you took home your gym clothes and jock strap at least once a month to be washed!! Now, 25 years later, and going to the gym to work out has a few different rules that I follow: I make sure that my membership fees are paid on time, when i use the equipment, if others are waiting, I will share in-between reps, and if I use the toilet, I'll flush it when I am done. Other than that, there are no other rules (such as all of yours) that I, or any other guy in the gym feel the need to bitch about. Besides, I still am having some fun - my size causes many a "straight" dude to stop and stare just long enough to measure, compare, and in some cases, how to show off theirs.


charlie 6 years ago

at my old high school it was normal to shower naked and have towel fights naked and whip eachother but on my first day at my new school after pe i got in the shower nude as usual and i thought other people would as well but everyone else didn't shower and one of them took a picture of me while i was naked and showed all the girls at school and i was embarrassed becuase i'm kind of small down there.


bob 6 years ago

in my changeroom it is fine to walk around naked. we sit around talking for about 5 minutes naked andtalk while showering but always make sure we keep our eyes at there face.There is always some people who lick to stare but I take thatas a compliement.


Doug 6 years ago

I think this all comes down to two things.

First, the shower room is not a nude lounge. Get in, get changed, get to work. Don't linger around naked. If you feel like society is repressing your need to be naked, perhaps you should consider joining a naturist group.

Second, staring is wrong at the best of times. In a shower room, it's just plain creepy.


Beth 6 years ago

I'd say the only thing missing from the article is the fact that all of these 'rules' are a matter of degrees. In the womens locker room, a glance is fine, a lingering stare isn't really. Nakedness is fine, but we don't walk up and stick our stuff in someone's face who is seated on a bench either. Then again little girls don't entertain each other by farting on each others heads like little boys do so we already have that thoughtful boundary in the back of our minds. What does baffle me is the people who'll wear shower shoes and then sit on the bench without a towel and rub their nethers all over it. Really?


gattax 6 years ago

This does read a bit batty - but then I am in Europe - maybe it's different elsewhere. It's not like I wonder about with my cock hanging out for hours but you know - nudity - some nudity - IS pretty much unavoidable at the gym.

Example - I had a nice steam - in my shorts - but then the shorts are wet so I want to dry them and put them in my sports bag - now the dryer is on the way back from the steam room - so do i whip off my shorts and dry them and then go to my locker - yes I do - I do not go past the dryer - back to my locker - get a towel, whip my shirts off - go back to the dryer covering myself and then back to my locker again to put my shorts away and then back to the shower - I just deal with being butt naked for - ooh about 90 seconds with no towel - and then I go get on with things. That seems fine to me.

I thought this article was going to be more - hey - don't take the WHOLE bench to change when 4 other guys need to get changed too - you know - actual stuff that guys could do with learning.

Ah well.


Andrew 6 years ago

Kea,

You are obviously not comfortable with yourself naked or seeing other guys naked. I thought this was a good article if you are in High School and don't want to get beat up. But, we are now in the year 2010 and, unless you are totally homophobic (sounds like) do whatever the hell you want in the locker room I say. Dance naked, I don't care. Be free. I am so sick of people condemning others. Other then that, it was a very nice read. :)


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frogyfish 6 years ago from Central United States of America

Since I'm female and never been in a men's locker room I just had to read this hub. Fantastic, I think... I don't think you were obsessive, thought you just stated good manners. OK, so I'm a fuddyduddyfrog, liked it anyway. And laughed a little too!


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godlessglen 6 years ago from Cleveland, TN, US

Sounds like the author has a hang up about naked guys. It should not be as big a deal as he is making it. It never bothered me to see others guys, although I am bi (and no I don't drool over guys in the locker room). What bothered me was for "me" to be naked because I wasn't comfortable with my own body growing up. Luckily I have pretty much gotten over that now.

We still the have stigma of being "homo" in our society but most if not all guys check out other guys (and it doesn't make them gay). I think it's the whole comparison thing.

I've always thought that those guys who are the most homo-phobic are those who are gay, bi, or curious. No one is harming someone else by looking at them. People just need to lighten up! There is nothing wrong with a naked man! Big whoop if someone sees you naked!


steve 6 years ago

sounds like you guys are afraid of your own sexuality who said you can't talk to another guy just because he is nude you guys wouldn't last too long in another country where people don't think twice to socialize with anyone no mayyer what the situation is grow up and don't be so up tight with a naked body


Barry 6 years ago

Almost all your ettiquet rules are geared at men (like yourself) that iare not comfortable in their own skin or comfortable with their own sexuality. Get over it...and yourselves.


Dave 6 years ago

Wow... I appreciate your comments on etiquette. Yes, as some other users have pointed out, you can certainly do whatever the hell you want to in a locker room, as you also can at the dinner table. However, just as table manners are suggestions as opposed to rules, 'Etiquette' in the locker room is appreciated by others. Just because you want to blow dry off your pubes with your leg up, doesn't make it right. Keep on blow drying if you want. Take the suggestions and move on...


Jay 6 years ago

Wow. Are lots of people this serious about locker room nudity in the states? Try living in Europe! We have loads of things like nude mineral Baths in Germany and nude beaches in France and Spain! (Don't even get me started on the Italians!!!) Lol-a locker room's nothing! In Britain we don't even have showers in some gym's/health clubs etc. there's just a big room with a big bath in the middle that all the guys use.


mrcandid 6 years ago

Can anyone say sexually repressed? It's a locker room, not a café. You're going to see male genitalia. Get over it.


Rob 6 years ago

I must agree that having hot tubs and especially scales in the men's locker room is specifically so that you can use them naked. Also, many guys aren't creeped out by nudity and don't mind chatting while naked, etc. On the other hand, most guys are creeped out by a guy staring at his crotch instead of looking him in the eye. Averting your eyes is ok, but actually more likely to intimidate or creep the other guy out than actually looking him in the eye.

However, peeing in the shower is absolutely gross, it is good hygiene to sit on a towel when naked, and you shouldn't leave your personal effects in everyone else's way.


Grey 6 years ago

Im straight and have been in the locker room many times. Don't be so insecure dude. Its a locker room, if you were actually straight and secure about it, you wouldn't care. I mean all guys have the same stuff, its like your saying your uncomfortable at looking at your own stuff if your so uncomfortable about the site of other guy's parts. Though, I do agree with being naked around people putting on shoes and stuff, the eye level thing is a little disturbing. Its a locker room though, If your not man enough to handle the sight of naked people then don't go in there.


Phil 6 years ago

The original post must be a joke! Nudity in the locker room is normal and totally acceptable as is standing next to other guys in the showers to chat. Personally I much prefer communal showers for the social aspect of it to cubicles and paranoia over anyone seeing my dick, like every other guy I have one!


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janiek13 6 years ago from Florida's Space Coast

I think that many people took your article too seriously, I think that a certain amount of modesty in a locker room is in order. People will be getting naked, but you don't have to prolong it. Women are more relaxed because we don't care about talking to other women who are naked.


Aaron 6 years ago

My father always said, "just do what you have to do, get dressed, then go--end of story" and that's what I do. I get naked, go to the steam room/sauna, take a shower, then get dressed and leave. There is nothing wrong getting naked and doing these things. I go to a sports club in Greenwich Village and every man in the locker room is naked, needless to say, they are very clean, etiquette, and proper. The place looks very clean. You're telling us not to stare but every paragraph ends with "I witnessed a guy naked doing..." I think you're the only one starring at naked men. What a homophob. In Japan, business men meet in spa's and have meetings, and they're butt naked. It's the 21st Century pal.


RT 6 years ago

Nudity in a locker room? Get out!

Please. If you are offended by naked bodies than maybe it is best you just stay away from the locker room. Before the prudes took over America no one cared about this sort of thing -- in fact in the days when YMCAs were for men only swim suits were not allowed in the swimming pool. What did you do in gym class in high school?

Locker room = nudity. Get over it.


Jeff 6 years ago

What a backward, narrow-minded and unenlightened fellow you are.

Just to select one of your many bad advice topics....how the hell are you going to know how much you REALLY weigh if you stand on the scale with clothes or with a wet, heavy towel wrapped around you.

Dude, you're a bit of a 'phobe. Just sayin'.....


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brimancandy 6 years ago from Northern Michigan

I would say that you must have a huge fear of germs, and slight homophobia. However, being a gay man myself, I agree with some of what you say. Mainly in sitting on various surfaces naked, and guys who want to hang around you while they are naked. Usually the ones you don't want hanging around you, and, not the ones you might like.

Many straight men will find this strange, but I have more men come on to me when I am in a straight gym, then when I go to a bath house. I think it is because this is their only outlet, usually closeted, or older. And, they usually

aren't thinking that there is allways someone hotter around the corner, and they might want to get to know you, while the bath house dudes just want sex and nothing else.

Also another thing that might surprise straight men. If we are in your gym, we are there for the same reason you are

to work out, and meet people. We usually go elsewhere to hook up. So, you have nothing to worry about.

Oh and for the record. I have not been to a bathhouse in 11 years, it's a pointless mind game.

One more thing. I do notice a difference in American and even Candian locker rooms. Canadian men are way more relaxed. men in the us are more likely to be paranoid of sterotypes, not knowing that the big muscle guy is the gay one, and not the skinny swishy so called queen. Or the other way around. It's the truth.


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edguider 6 years ago

Very good hub but it did make me laugh a little :)


U disgust me 6 years ago

I myself happen to be bisexual, but leaning towards the straight side, so perhaps the fact that I would look at another man's privates is my sexual orientation. However, nudity is totally natural. The locker room is for changing, and maybe a guy wants to cool off a little after working out and showering before immediately getting dressed. Who cares?

If you don't want to see it, don't look. If you want to get changed quickly and get out, that's fine. But don't try to try other people to do the same because of your discomfort. Come dressed in your gym clothes, and shower at home if you must.


Point Well Taken 6 years ago

I share all of Kea's perspectives. I am a regular swimmer and have been in locker rooms from the west coast to the east coast of the U.S., and in Europe including England, Iceland and Hungary. Actually in England, there were more private areas for changing than I ever saw in the U.S. And I have yet to see European men socializing naked the way Americans famously enjoy. Probably because Europeans are more at peace with their gay tendencies and know how to regulate them to more appropriate situations. American football players also like to ass slap their buddies on the field, which is less typical in European football. Go figure...In the U.S. there are a lot of gay-curious guys hanging around locker rooms, evidenced by some of the comments on here. After all, who can explain a truly hetero man enjoying another man drooling over his equipment?! Think about that and by all means, do your own psychological research. By logical conclusion, a man who is sexually turned off by another man (ie, a heterosexual) will not be comfortable with such inappropriate locker room situations that are, by the way, completely abnormal in any other situation. I think some of these people go to locker rooms just to check out other men without having to come out of the closet like real men do. And hence, the need for locker room etiquette. I have never been comfortable being naked around other men. And that's because I am a heterosexual man. My wife and I have an incredibly satisfying love/sex life and there is no sense of shame between us. Being naked around my wife is comfortable, as you'd expect. But all these gay-curious mens rooms make me very uncomfortable. It would be like going to a singles pick up bar as a married man. Just being there will send the wrong signal to someone. I would rather go to a pub without that weird energy dynamic. I also don't like young boys hanging around me when I am changing. In today's sick world, I am afraid to look at a boy in such naked situations. What if someone would think I'm a pedaphile predator?! This is a SERIOUS issue. Fathers, please keep your children away from other adults in situations that could get innocent people in trouble,including your own children. Besides, you never know who is lurking around these places. I think it's wrong to trivialize locker room etiquette without discussing the very real implications of sending the wrong signals to people or being misinterpreted. So PLEASE, scurry around like little teenage girls if you must. Get in and out. You're there to work out, shower, and leave. It's o.k. if someone sees you naked. In fact, it's inevitible in most of these places. But be mindful that most people don't walk around their own homes naked in front of relatives. Most of us aren't bushmen out of a National Geographic article (no disrespect to that lifestyle, of course). Check the laws in the U.S. regarding "indecent exposure" and be mindful of the local customs, laws and attitudes. I have friends who are gay and have no problems with gays in any shape or form. My gay friends also don't hit on me because they are respectful people. This issue is not about having "hang ups." It's about respecting other people in PUBLIC (that includes private clube like the YMCA too, unless there are special bylaws you review and sign about etiquette before joining). I once saw a woman at a Starbucks changing her baby's smelly diaper on the table next to others eating cake and drinking coffee. Someone complained to her and she said so casually, and oh SO selfishly "Oh, come on. It's only baby poo!" Etiquette is quite a big problem in such an increasingly rude, selfish, arrogant country like the U.S. of A.


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4everfitness 6 years ago

Oh well, I read the other comments and I'm a little not OK with them. Prefer the modest approach, I guess. You Mr Manners thing isn't all that old fashioned, at least not for me.

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Jimmy 6 years ago

You just go to the lockers to change, shower, sauna. You are not thinking "I want see another people" or "is somebody looking me". You act naturally. If you are tacking care of other guys and if they are naked or not, you are in troubles...


Atlanta Jim 7 years ago

Actually, the writer does have a couple of good points. It is gross to pee in the showers. Even worse to spit. And sitting on the benches naked without a towel underneath your hairy butt is kinda repulsive. So, yeah, there are certainly some common courtesies all men should follow in the locker room. That said, I would hate to see the locker room become a place where men feel like they have to constantly police themselves. Personally, I look forward to using the locker room every morning because the guys that go to my Y are friendly, decent people who I enjoy seeing and shooting the shit with -- naked or not.


Mike 7 years ago

I don't think he's THAT serious. Maybe he's just messing with your minds. Maybe he's interested in reading everyone's reactions. A lot of men do have insecurities but most of them don't think too much about it. I admit, I have them too but I don't let it take over my life. I'm 14 by the way. So quit worryin' man!

PS

I agree with Neil, walking around the house naked on a sunday afternoon is relaxing... ^^


Atlanta Jim 7 years ago

NAKED old guys in the locker room? Say it ain't so! A guy chatting with me about last night's basketball game while he and I are NAKED in the showers? Oh, my! Some guy dropping his jockstrap on the floor, then heading to the showers CARRYING his towel, not wrapping it around his NAKED body? Horrible! What a bunch of crap this article peddles. My standards for men's locker rooms are pretty simple: please don't masturbate and please don't come on to me. I expect nudity, I expect conviviality, I expect odors and I expect athletic supporters littering the floor. And I also expect that the rest of the guys in the locker room are going to give about as much shit about these things as I do. And fortunately, at my gym (a Y), that seems to be the case. Our locker room is relaxed and accepting of any man who walks in - just don't start reading us your god-damned "rules."


Michael 7 years ago

Dude, if you are that concerned, don't shower at the gym. I go naked in the hot tub, shower, steam room (Sitting on a towel). If you are looking, then you have the problem.


alan 7 years ago

Wow, you grew up with Shame, too bad for you. We european Adults and Youth express naturally our body, which is a wonderful freedom to be a part of. Pathetic western culture; so robbed.


Dave 7 years ago

I agree with Ted that Kea protests too much. As a 50 year old I was in PE class when we all took showers, etc. so I haven't been freaked out by using locker rooms since I was a kid. 35 years ago we didn't talk or think about it, so I don't believe we should scream and quickly cover ourselves with a towel if a guy suddenly walks around the corner and sees us nude. today I hear some adult guys act like an 11 year old girl with regard to the subject. Hey Guys, lighten Up ! The only dudes at my school who were afraid to suit up or shower were put into "adaptive "PE to play vollyball or bake cookies with the girls and "special ed" kids. and their reps were ruined.They were always the wimpy type guys, and we figured they were afraid to shower because they were afraid they would get "aroused". I'd wager they are in couples therapy today with some dude named "Tab" or "Jimmer" Ever notice how the guys bitching about the showers are almost always the little wuusey type? I have seen several stand up comics do a routine on how revolted they are by seeing a naked man in a locker room and they are always little testosteroe challenged nebishes rather than the rugby player type. . I never see any NFL players complaining about it. I always wonder about guys who feel compelled to constantly announce that the sight of a naked man makes them sick. As I stated above, Perhaps thou protests too much............


neil again 7 years ago

oh i forgot one suggestion....if you really want to stop being a loser, just go to europe, i guarantee you'll read your article like an adult looks back on his childhood, those people just don't give a shit bout the stupid shit americans do...


neil 7 years ago

well, wow....wow...i....wow...is this guy trying to be funny,,,or make a mockery of sane people...or of himself..or is he....wow....i dont get it...id like to think positive and hope that this guy is making a tongue in cheek point of how ridiculous some guys can be about they're insecurities regarding nudity...but id like to point out,,,i feel sorry for any young men that may read this and actually think his ideas are normal or common,,,and just in case ill say...hey young guys,,,this guys a douchebag,,,like teenagers dont have enough to be insecure about in locker rooms without reading this and feeling like they are acually supposed to hide in the corner as if there dicks are some horrific thing,, when i read this i actually thought that the writer was a teenager or early 20's as this sort of mentality is usually exibited in insecure highschool kids or university frat boys that are completely obsessed wiuth their bodies an dnudity...but no,,the picture clearly shows someone physically older, so like i say i can only assume that this guy is being funny or tongue in cheek casue noone his age can be this dumb without a slight mental illness.....to the writer i suggest a few hlepful options to get over your own body male anxieties....number one, go to a fuckin nude beach man...any nude beach, just go and sit there naked , walk around , go swimming and go day after day until you are comfortable being naked and realize it is the most natrual thing in the world...go to new york and see a play or two...often times nudity occurrs and maybe this shock will help wake up some larger part of your brain into accepting nudity...walk around your house naked on a sunday afternoon...its relaxing,,,sit in a hottub or steam room with your towel off, sittin on the towel for higeine and with another guy in the room or hottub for 10 min uits AND strike up a conversation...see how fast you forget your both naked....go to a gay bar...just in case, you never know you might be,,if not, well heh, you've gone and you'll realize theres nothing to be so afraid of...and yes im asusming your scared to death of any situation in which men may possibly be involved in a sexually inuendo...finally stare at a picture of an erect penis for 5 full minuits...comon you can do it...i mean you wrote this garbage so why not that....and finally, if you cant even manage one of these suggestions, then why not keep your insecure fucked up ass out of the locker room altogether and stop making the rest of us normal people uncomfortable...freak...and yeah, ive pissed in shower...who the fuck hasnt.


JR 7 years ago

Don't be so afraid of male bonding. It doesn't have to be sexual if you're sitting around naked with other dudes, but it also doesn't mean you're gay if you scope out another dude's equipment. We guys love our own equipment and to compare...and, yes, even covet another guys genetic blessings. I must assume that you never masturbate either, as stroking a penis, even if it's your own, is way too gay for your rule book. Just lighten up...you think about naked men too much in order to avoid the possiblity of eroticizing naked men. You end up thinking about naked men more than straight women or gay men. It's okay....take a peek at another guy's package...most guys like to be admired for what they possess. It won't mean you're gay, in fact, it just may make you more straight than you're currently afraid you're not!!


John 7 years ago

Um.... What do you want us men to do, shower in our clothes? Dude its a locker room and you are supposed to be naked. I go to the gym every day and see alot of things happen in the locker room. Its a place for guys to just be guys. Men do walk around naked and talk to eachother naked. GOD!!! Get a new thing to talk about dude, oh and you probably shouldn't go to the locker room anymore if you feel that way.


Matt 7 years ago

Yeah, you're pretty uptight, dude. Since you're so "not" into naked dudes, go ahead and focus on something else, for Christ's sake. None of the rest of us need to feel paranoid in a locker room due to your attitude regarding nudity. What's next for you? Freaking out about people who shop for groceries... in the grocery store?


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kea 7 years ago Author

Hola. Thanks for all the comments everyone. Never thought this would be my most popular article. I've been away for awhile working on my fitness, all the while avoiding men's locker rooms!

@cj - thanks!

@excavator - thanks for the comment. Me thinketh men needeth educateth abouts locker roomeths

@kelly - cool! Why do women have separate showers then, rather than communal showers?

@roscoe - thanks for the comments...I don't obsess about it, just thought it would make a good topic.

@bcampbell - thanks!

@ted - apparently, I appointed myself Miss Manners - someone has to do it, right? Locker room scales are for posers. It makes no sense to weigh yourself after a workout - of course you will weigh less - you're dehydrated. You should weigh yourself consistenly first thing in the AM, when you wake up - either at home or at the gym and, yes, either naked or with the same thing on every time (underwear, preferrably!).

@destroyer - it's not that I don't want to see anyone naked, just not guys. I don't scurry around and I do use locker rooms, but I apply common sense and do not walk around without a towel or blow dry my pubes or go to the sauna naked, then weigh myself every five minutes, etc.

@david - you're right...I'm so insecure that I'm afraid seeing a naked guy might turn me, especially if he's standing in front of the mirror blow drying his pubes! :)

@dan - Not sure what parts of the world you're referring to, but let me know to avoid those parts!

@paul - actually I did have gym class in high school. I don't believe you about guys swimming naked in the pools...what type of gym class was that? No, haven't made it to the nude beaches in San Diego, but I've been to them in Italy...you gave me an idea...maybe I'll write my next article on nude beach etiquette!


Paul 7 years ago

You have obviously never been to the public nude beaches in San Diego....


Paul 7 years ago

You must have never had gym class in school. When my Dad was in High school in the early 40s the guys swam nude in the pool during phu ed class...


Dan 7 years ago

This is one hell of a bizarre article! You're clearly insecure about your body and paranoid to the extreme. In other parts of the world, guys get naked and don't care. Just relax.


David 7 years ago

Damn, the United States is full of the most insecure straight men in the universe. That someone thought to write down all of his fears and foibles about the locker room as a set of rules for others to follow is so typical of straight men in this country. LOL!


destroyer 7 years ago

if you don't want to see anyone naked the locker room is not the place for you. the purpose is to change and shower and eventually someone is going to get naked. REAL men do not want to scurry around like school girls avoiding being seen. to solve your problem you change at home and then you won't have to go in the locker room and see anything.


Ted 7 years ago

Whoa! Who died and made you Miss Manners? Man, you have some SERIOUS homophobic anxiety going on in your head. Locker rooms HAVE scales to weigh oneself naked. And you get uptight over seeing anothed dude's sweaty jockstrap? You must be the guy at my Y who puts on his bathing suit to shower. Methinks thou protests too much.


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bcampbell23 7 years ago from Chandler AZ

haha, great article! not something i ever really thought about, but pretty funny.


Roscoe 7 years ago

The over-focus on nudity is telling. Most guys don't obsess about it. I always felt a bit creeped out by guys who feel the need to profess their horror at others' nudity. It's like, they think about it way too much.


Kelly 7 years ago

I'm like "Randy Behavior."

Most women's locker rooms, the one at my gym included, also have group shower rooms with no privacy. But it's not a big deal to most women. Were generally not embarrassed by locker room nudity like guys tend to be. Maybe it's because were more used to being "on display" so to speak during doctors examinations and things like that? When you've been given a gynochological exam and maybe also given birth, then other women seeing you naked in a locker room is no sweat.


excavator12 7 years ago

Why did ever "rule" have to do with impeding nudity? I mean I don't want free-wangs at large in the locker room anymore than the next guy....but this seems like a bitch-n-moan rant...methinks he doth protest too much


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cjcarter 7 years ago

These tips are hilarious!


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kea 7 years ago Author

@RB - thanks for the comment. Hey, I'd be comfortable with the whole naked thing too, if I were in the women's locker room!

@GW - glad you enjoyed the hub...I'm satirically funny!


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Gypsy Willow 7 years ago from Lake Tahoe Nevada USA , Wales UK and Taupo New Zealand

I get the idea that this was a serious hub but some of it came over as funny, sorry!


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Randy Behavior 7 years ago from Near the Ocean

"No one wants to see a naked dude watching the cooking channel," speak for yourself!

Seriously Kea you seem a little uptight about the whole naked thing. Of course I'm a girl and don't really know men's locker room rules. In the women's locker room though, I'd say we are pretty comfortable with out nakedness in the showers, in the jacuzzi, just walking arund and yes, even on benches.

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